Professional framing companies in London

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Hi folks, I'm looking for some advice on framing companies in London area. I was discussing the best way to frame a piece such as artwork or cromalins over on Rebelscum and all the suggestions for framing companies have so far been in the US. I was looking for something archival quality to preserve the piece and I've tried a couple of companies that i found on the internet and they were very expensive. I'm aiming for a modern, minimalist look which i would expect should keep the cost down a bit but I need advice on glass, backing mounting etc that is archival quality.

Does anyone know any good professional framing companies in London that they could recommend that are high quality, familiar with archival, preservation framing and don't cost an absolute fortune.

Anyone got and vintage SW art or such framed and what kind of look and style did you go for?
 
Oli, it's generally felt that for expensive pieces that glass is to be avoided, as if broken the risk to damaging the artwork within is too great.
 
Oli,

Sorry mate, i thought i replied to your PM :oops:

Anyway mate, it can be done yourself as long as you buy a good acid free mount, tape and frame with UV glass. Its not as hard as it seems bud. Paying someone will be an absolute fortune.

Lee
 
OK very interesting. I've heard a lot of collectors go with glass and museum glass because it is archival and better preserves the piece. I've been told that acrylic, particularly picture frames where the piece is pressed between 2 slabs have an issue with static that can effect some photo art and cromalins.
 
_Lee_ said:
Oli,

Sorry mate, i thought i replied to your PM :oops:

Anyway mate, it can be done yourself as long as you buy a good acid free mount, tape and frame with UV glass. Its not as hard as it seems bud. Paying someone will be an absolute fortune.

Lee

No worries Lee. Yeah thats what everyone keeps on telling me but i'm useless with stuff like that. I find it challenging enough to hang it on the wall :-)

I was hoping to find a professional to do it for me.

I read a thread on RS from quite a few years back where you got a Lando Skiff cromalin framed. Did you do that yourself?
 
There are two companies I'd use in London, but neither will be cheap.

http://www.johnjones.co.uk are excellent and very well regarded, although massively busy and rather pricey. You'll need an appointment to go down and see them, but it will be worth it. JJ are pretty much the go to name for non-antique framing where budget is secondary.

http://pauliframes.com are also very good and well regarded (I have bought items framed by Pauli without worrying, normally you don't buy framed as it can hid a multitude of problems).

I also use mrframeman.co.uk regularly who collects from London a couple of times a week but is based in Norwich. Gary is cheaper than the others and pretty well regarded, but again hugely busy so you could wait a good 6-8 weeks to get your pieces back. He'll email options over once he has the art in hand, but it helps if you have an idea of what you want first.

I've had tons of stuff framed (I collect art) and would advise the following from whoever you use:

1. Get your item conservation framed to museum standard. Always ask for conservation framing and make sure the receipt says this - some auction houses insist on it to sell as there is some comeback on the framer.
2. Make sure it is completely, 100%, reversible (conservation should be)
3. Get them to use hinges and not tape.
4. Make sure they understand the value and have insurance while it's in their possession (the guys above all deal with Banksy, Os Gemeos, Kaws etc, so know the drill - but it doesn't hurt to remind them, especially as they won't have seen loads of SW).
5. Use 'museum glass' if your budget stretches. 'Truvue Museum' is a nicest at a semi budget level (IMO) - its reflection free glass and effectively looks invisible. It will break if dropped or banged hard (like any glass) so for massive pieces or if you have toddlers, you can get a museum acrylic - glass is nicer looking though.
6. If museum glass is a bit pricey, UV glass is a decent second option.
7. You don't have to have a mount over the top of the piece, its easier for the framer so they might steer you towards this. Look at float mounting as an alternative - most of my art is float mounted.
8. You can make the frame much deeper looking by having spacers put in - again, I normally go this route.
9. Definitely always make sure the art NEVER touches the glass. A little moisture in the atmosphere and you're screwed. All art moves, expands, contracts etc - give it space to!

Good luck! I'd post some photos, but they'd be about as far off topic as something could get!

Bad framing can destroy paper/art - I've had tape used which tore the back of a fairly valuable print. I've also had the frame 'pinch' the art, which again damaged a piece. This was a while ago and I learned my lesson the hard way - I'm a framing nazi now.

Good framing, IMO, absolutely makes the piece - I had a commission done a while ago, I waited about 18 months for the guy to do his thing, paid and then was a bit 'meh' when it arrived. I was already in for a good bit, so thought sod it and got it framed (by mrframeman) - when I got it back I was blown away - the framing completely changed it for the better.
 
Thanks Max, that's great. Exactly what I was after.

Funnily enough John Jones was the first company I contacted and whilst they seem very professional I was kind of taken back by the prices. I'm trying to work out what would be a reasonable amount to spend on framing a couple of cromalins. After buying a £12 acrylic Muji frame I have to get use to the prices I'm seeing :-) I will check out the others you suggest.

OK some really good tips on the framing. Museum glass sounds like a god option. I like the idea of a floating mount - although had to google it to work out what it was :-) So the piece shouldn't touch the glass? Is there any risk that the item you are framing might start curving with a floating mount and gap between the glass?

I really want a minimalist, neutral and modern look so I guess i have to give some consideration to framing style.
 
Yes, John Jones is definitely at the higher end of the market! I'd generally only use him for something really special, where a future buyer would want a big name to have framed it. I generally use Mrframeman - he's the right balance of cost, perception and results.

With float mounting, I've never had anything 'curl up' - paper should stay very flat (assuming it starts flat) and it will be hinged (attached) on each corner too. If your item is rolled, the framer will want to flatten it for a few weeks before framing it (never try to roll it backwards to uncurl it, as this can cause stress lines in the paper).

I really cant stress the importance of it not touching the glass enough - It would be a quick way to get something flat and in a frame, but really isn't good in the long term! The last thing you want it to unframe it and it to have stuck to the glass!

Hope this helps!
 
Great thank you Max I really appreciate the help. I think I will look at Mrframeman as John Jones prices scared me a bit. There's a great thread on RS of framing limelights that i spent quite a while browsing this morning for ideas. I see you had some nice droids cromalins at one time - very nice!

http://forum.rebelscum.com/t937504/
 
Another thing thats making me still a bit hesitant about the framing option is that everything I own currently is unsealed and can be easily removed.
 
Yes, I know what you mean. Things can be removed from frames fairly easily - with some care - but they are certainly semi-permanently in there!

I wish I still had that droids sheet! I do wonder about starting a droids MOC run, but I guess I'd want to get the glasslite cards, for that added headache!
 
Oh yes sorry thats right it was a sheet. it looked stunning. And definitely worthy of some expensive framing.
 
What a great thread. Been looking to get a few things framed up and this has been brilliantly informative. Thanks for taking the time to pass on your knowledge, maxf.

I've been looking for someone to linen back and frame a 100 year old poster and drawn and absolute blank. I'll try some of the names here.
 
ScruffyLookingNH said:
I've been looking for someone to linen back and frame a 100 year old poster and drawn and absolute blank. I'll try some of the names here.

I have all my posters linen backed by John Davis at Poster Mountain. Really cant recommend them highly enough, and also should add that not all linen backing is equal. In fact I bought a linen backed poster recently which had been done very poorly and I have sent it to Poster Mountain to redo. Poster Mountain is in the US, but UK collectors can send their poster to Antikbar in London who then send them on to US so postage fees are still local. http://www.postermountain.com/

Also worth mentioning that my earlier comment about the danger of glass relates to posters (30x40 quads) which have very large surface areas and are more susceptible.
 
Bonsai_Tree_Ent said:
ScruffyLookingNH said:
I've been looking for someone to linen back and frame a 100 year old poster and drawn and absolute blank. I'll try some of the names here.

I have all my posters linen backed by John Davis at Poster Mountain. Really cant recommend them highly enough, and also should add that not all linen backing is equal. In fact I bought a linen backed poster recently which had been done very poorly and I have sent it to Poster Mountain to redo. Poster Mountain is in the US, but UK collectors can send their poster to Antikbar in London who then send them on to US so postage fees are still local. http://www.postermountain.com/

Also worth mentioning that my earlier comment about the danger of glass relates to posters (30x40 quads) which have very large surface areas and are more susceptible.

Many thanks, Matt. That's got to be a business opportunity for someone over here, surely? Will check out poster mountain.
 
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