jayjedi
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weasel said:
Did anyone see the report that a South Korean football team had tried to rectify the 'No fans" problem by filling the stands with top of the range sex dolls
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Did anyone see the report that a South Korean football team had tried to rectify the 'No fans" problem by filling the stands with top of the range sex dolls
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jayjedi said:weasel said:
Did anyone see the report that a South Korean football team had tried to rectify the 'No fans" problem by filling the stands with top of the range sex dolls
:lol: :lol: :lol: not surprising really, they are well into them.
jayjedi said:weasel said:
Did anyone see the report that a South Korean football team had tried to rectify the 'No fans" problem by filling the stands with top of the range sex dolls
Lovely.
Still probably a better atmosphere than an average Sat at Old Trafford :wink:
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You know your aloud to actually go fishing now [mention]weasel[/mention] . :wink:
jayjedi
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If you are bored weasel, the BBC have kindly given us a excuse to reminisce and while away a few hours :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52631735
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52631735
jayjedi said:
Aye, I saw that.
You can scroll back to here....
https://starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=39223&hilit=Ronaldo&start=480
And see we had a crack at our best ever Utd teams a few weeks ago when we started to miss footy.
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Missed it but yours is not bad Weasel,
Van der Sar
Neville
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Beckham
Keane
Scholes
Giggs
Ronaldo
Rooney
Van der Sar
Neville
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Beckham
Keane
Scholes
Giggs
Ronaldo
Rooney
Most of it picks itself.
Keeper is Van Der Saar or Schmeichel. Maybe DDG if you ignore the last 2 yrs of ropey performances. RB is a given. LB prob Evra. CB's is 2 from 4 or 5 (Rio, Vidic, Stam, Johnson etc), midfield is easy. Keane, Scholes and Giggs all walk it. Then depending on shape, either Becks or Ronaldo. Forwards from Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP and Van Nistelrooy.
Scary, for Utd fans, how many of them are from 15-20yrs ago though.
Keeper is Van Der Saar or Schmeichel. Maybe DDG if you ignore the last 2 yrs of ropey performances. RB is a given. LB prob Evra. CB's is 2 from 4 or 5 (Rio, Vidic, Stam, Johnson etc), midfield is easy. Keane, Scholes and Giggs all walk it. Then depending on shape, either Becks or Ronaldo. Forwards from Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP and Van Nistelrooy.
Scary, for Utd fans, how many of them are from 15-20yrs ago though.
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These great teams come and go, Utd and Arsenal will have great teams again one day.
I think. :lol:
I think. :lol:
Oh aye, you're both right.
The current Arsenal squad is dire. Bellerin and maybe Aubamayang are the only two who are even worth talking about. Even Bellerin has been ropey/injured for 18 months and whilst Aubamayang is a class act, he is up against Henry, Bergkamp, Anelka and the mighty Francis Jeffers.
Football goes in cycles, it's just amazing how few players of the top calibre Utd have had in the last 15-20 yrs. They have still been winning titles but it has been more a squad game, or one or two players (arguably a manager too) dragging the team along.
The current Arsenal squad is dire. Bellerin and maybe Aubamayang are the only two who are even worth talking about. Even Bellerin has been ropey/injured for 18 months and whilst Aubamayang is a class act, he is up against Henry, Bergkamp, Anelka and the mighty Francis Jeffers.
Football goes in cycles, it's just amazing how few players of the top calibre Utd have had in the last 15-20 yrs. They have still been winning titles but it has been more a squad game, or one or two players (arguably a manager too) dragging the team along.
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I think the manager makes a massive difference weasel, Fergie dragged players whom were mediocre ( O Shea, Johnson, Phil Neville ETC) and integrated them into a decent team. I know you need the squad players and not everyone can be a Messi, but I think he had motivational skills to give players a kick up the arse when needed at half time, hence the crashing down to Earth with David Moyes in charge. Van Gaal was doing OK, but it wasn't in the vein of football( attack, attack attack) that fans enjoyed and so sideways football got replaced with parking the bus :roll: But it did bring some success and I have to be honest I wanted Mourinho to manage us because of the success he brings with him but he soon lost the plot. Now for OGS, he was a fantastic player, and no matter what he achieves as manager he will always be a legend. BUT has he got what it takes to have the same effect Fergie had on players and motivate them to be the best they can be? Not sure, he has got the remnants of the Fergie era ( Mike Phelan, Butt ) and trying to recreate that feel, fast attacking football with youth, but I do wonder if Poch would bring an extra dimension. But as with Liverpool when Dalgleish managed them, it would be easy to sack him if they did poorly, and easy to support him if they won the league...but what if they just do OK? Liverpool held patience with Klopp even though he was slow to win trophies, but performances were greatly improved, so hope OGS can get the time he needs, some sensible funds this summer, but not Jack Greilish, to improve. we are not title challengers yet but hopefully in 2 years time we can be. So I gues that leads to the next topic, who do you want your team to buy this summer, sensibly....
I think Fergie's greatest achievement was winning that last title. The team that won it was probably one of the worst teams to win a title, and I mean that as a compliment to Fergie not a dig at Utd.
As for OGS, I haven't seen anything that makes me think he has what it takes to manage at the top level, nor to turn round Utd. As a Pool fan I know what it's like when a "great" comes back to manage your team.....and ****s it up royally. Yes, Graham, I'm looking at you, ya wanker.
At no other top 6 club would OGS even have been long listed, never mind given the job. He got it cos he had history as a player. That very very rarely works out. Bar maybe Real/Barca where you have a 50:50 chance of winning La Liga every year and a very decent shot a CL semi.
I agree on Grealish. He is just bang average. He plays for a **** team, so he looks better especially as the team is built around him. But 80m is all sorts of batshit crazy.
As for OGS, I haven't seen anything that makes me think he has what it takes to manage at the top level, nor to turn round Utd. As a Pool fan I know what it's like when a "great" comes back to manage your team.....and ****s it up royally. Yes, Graham, I'm looking at you, ya wanker.
At no other top 6 club would OGS even have been long listed, never mind given the job. He got it cos he had history as a player. That very very rarely works out. Bar maybe Real/Barca where you have a 50:50 chance of winning La Liga every year and a very decent shot a CL semi.
I agree on Grealish. He is just bang average. He plays for a **** team, so he looks better especially as the team is built around him. But 80m is all sorts of batshit crazy.
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weasel said:
Agree a bit but not fully, the treble season we knocked out Barcelona, Inter Milan and Juventus before winning the final against Buyern Muncich, in the FA Cup we knocked out out Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal on the way to the final and pipped one of ther best Arsenal teams to the league. We also only lost 5 games in all compititions all season if you include the charity shield, if not then only 4, thats better then anyone ever in English football. Unbeaten from January onwards, a great achievement that Man City and Liverpool have still not done.
Fergie then desmantled that team and rebuilt a team that won three league titles and a European Cup, knocking the special one well and truly off his perch.
The last two league titles he won especially the 2011 one was really a case of knowone else getting their act together.
Oh aye, to an extent the last title was a case of tallest dwarf (as was Leicester's title win). Still to get that team to a title win is some achievement. It's impossible to compare that title win to a treble, or another title win, as it's so subjective how you rate other teams and what weighting you give to results etc. Taking nothing away from either achievement, both superb efforts.
As for Utd's Treble, I think we are all agreed it pales into insignificance compared to Liverpool's UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Worthless Cup. :wink:
Ps, that Barca team weren't the force they are now, but that is still a very decent set of teams to beat en route to a CL.
As for Utd's Treble, I think we are all agreed it pales into insignificance compared to Liverpool's UEFA Cup, FA Cup and Worthless Cup. :wink:
Ps, that Barca team weren't the force they are now, but that is still a very decent set of teams to beat en route to a CL.
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That team Liverpool had in the 00's was up their, a lot of it is about timing and they were unfortunate with the teams they came up against. At the time they emerged Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea all produced great teams, arguably their greatest ever teams and all in succession. Liverpool won a lot of trophies in that era and regular beat the best teams.
I often think of Man Utd's success in the 90s, especially before the 97/98 Arsenal team came along its a good example of know one else getting their act together. Between 93 and 97 Blackburn and Norwich had been Utd's biggest title rivals and we won 5 league titles.
I often think of Man Utd's success in the 90s, especially before the 97/98 Arsenal team came along its a good example of know one else getting their act together. Between 93 and 97 Blackburn and Norwich had been Utd's biggest title rivals and we won 5 league titles.
Possibly. Although you have to remember there wasn't the money in football there is now. The TV rights were a lot cheaper and the global fan base was all but non existent.
The PL was probably closer to what the SPL is now. It had 1 or 2 big sides and a lot of others who were all much of a muchness. Teams could come up from the Championship and push for a European spot quite easily. They could also establish themselves a lot quicker than they can now.
Utd probably had the best team but they also had the brains behind the scenes who spotted the commercial opportunities and were able to exploit them. That gave Utd more money, to allow them to buy the best players and expand Old Trafford (which in turn gave them more gate receipts and more money), which helped a lot with on field success. That added to the explosion in interest in footy in early to mid 90's (bizarrely just after football cured its hooliganism problem, who would have thought they were related?) meant Utd became the most popular side. Insert your own joke about 'glory hunters' but let's be honest most people when picking a side, assuming they didn't have a local side or a father/brother who steers them to a certain side, pick a team that is doing well. Utd were that team for most of the 90's, so they picked up most supporters. Which mean more money from replica shirts etc and, again helped support a successful team.
Not taking anything away from Fergy and the players here, just saying money helps especially if everyone else is skint or decided that appointing Graham Souness and letting him sell off a Championship winning squad and replace them with players like Nigel Clough and Julian Dicks, is the way to go.
Utd were the beneficiaries of the explosion of interest in footy in the early 90's and the money it brought but they also had the best team/manager AND people running the club who knew how to exploit it. Everyone else was asleep at the wheel.
The PL was probably closer to what the SPL is now. It had 1 or 2 big sides and a lot of others who were all much of a muchness. Teams could come up from the Championship and push for a European spot quite easily. They could also establish themselves a lot quicker than they can now.
Utd probably had the best team but they also had the brains behind the scenes who spotted the commercial opportunities and were able to exploit them. That gave Utd more money, to allow them to buy the best players and expand Old Trafford (which in turn gave them more gate receipts and more money), which helped a lot with on field success. That added to the explosion in interest in footy in early to mid 90's (bizarrely just after football cured its hooliganism problem, who would have thought they were related?) meant Utd became the most popular side. Insert your own joke about 'glory hunters' but let's be honest most people when picking a side, assuming they didn't have a local side or a father/brother who steers them to a certain side, pick a team that is doing well. Utd were that team for most of the 90's, so they picked up most supporters. Which mean more money from replica shirts etc and, again helped support a successful team.
Not taking anything away from Fergy and the players here, just saying money helps especially if everyone else is skint or decided that appointing Graham Souness and letting him sell off a Championship winning squad and replace them with players like Nigel Clough and Julian Dicks, is the way to go.
Utd were the beneficiaries of the explosion of interest in footy in the early 90's and the money it brought but they also had the best team/manager AND people running the club who knew how to exploit it. Everyone else was asleep at the wheel.
That's got me reminiscing about how football was better before money ruined it.
If I get a chance later I'll maybe post up weasel's guide to fixing footy. FIFA big wigs read this forum fairly religiously so no doubt they will implement all my ideas.
If I get a chance later I'll maybe post up weasel's guide to fixing footy. FIFA big wigs read this forum fairly religiously so no doubt they will implement all my ideas.
