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I just heard that on the radio shocking news. I remember him well, he scored some crackers. Really sad news. RIP
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Well done Liverpool, well deserved, you have to say. Spurs just diden't really turn up.
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edd_jedi said:
It was a poor game, but you feel after Liverpool were given a head start they were just waiting to pick off a very blunt Spurs side.
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Not a great show case of English football, Spurs were really poor, but well done Liverpool...theforceuk said:edd_jedi said:
It was a poor game, but you feel after Liverpool were given a head start they were just waiting to pick off a very blunt Spurs side.
It was the worst possible start for Spurs because the one thing they are useless at is chipping away at a 'parked bus' so although it was a boring game, Klopp played it perfectly. just a shame that a 20 second penalty ruined the biggest game of the season.
I don't think either side played well. Spurs were by far the better outfield team (which still isn't saying much, sadly), but were also completely toothless up front. The truth is Spurs never really looked like scoring, despite the 65% possession and 8 (feeble) shots on target compared to Liverpool's frankly disappointing (for them) 3. The only real moment of quality in the entire game was Origi's goal.
Yeah, that was shite.
The highlight of the emtire game was that non-streaking streaker.
I dunno what happened but both sides were ****. Pool did FA bar the two goals and a few half chances. Spurs dominated for large chunks of thegame, but looked like Arsenal on a bad day, lots of possession but all very stale. They didn't really create any clear cut chances.
I get why Poch started Kane, in his position I may well have taken the same gamble. Obviously with hindsight Moura should have started as Kane offerd absolutely nothing over 90 mins. In a game where MOTM (whoever he was) prob only scored 6.5 outta 10, Kane was noticeably non existent. Not sure Dele Alli faired much better.
As for the pen, never a pen for me. My first reaction was "don't be daft you cant' give that."
Not sure if that killed the game, as Pool knew they didn't need to push on, or if it effectively won it for a Liverpool side who were very poor on the night. I guess that probably depends on your perspective or biases.
Regardless of that and the final outcome, Spurs fans can be rightly proud of their team. To make a CL final is a superb effort, to do it by beating some of the sides they have beaten and having been all but out I don't know how many times, is even more impressive. Add to that the fact they were the better side for massive chunks of the game and there is absolutely no shame in losing at all. Spurs are a club headed very much in the right direction. Keep that squad, manager, persuade Levy to stop being such a tight wad and Spurs will be challenging for major trophies much more regularly.
Now, can someone tell me WTF I'm supposed to do for two and a half months until the season starts again!?
The highlight of the emtire game was that non-streaking streaker.
I dunno what happened but both sides were ****. Pool did FA bar the two goals and a few half chances. Spurs dominated for large chunks of thegame, but looked like Arsenal on a bad day, lots of possession but all very stale. They didn't really create any clear cut chances.
I get why Poch started Kane, in his position I may well have taken the same gamble. Obviously with hindsight Moura should have started as Kane offerd absolutely nothing over 90 mins. In a game where MOTM (whoever he was) prob only scored 6.5 outta 10, Kane was noticeably non existent. Not sure Dele Alli faired much better.
As for the pen, never a pen for me. My first reaction was "don't be daft you cant' give that."
Not sure if that killed the game, as Pool knew they didn't need to push on, or if it effectively won it for a Liverpool side who were very poor on the night. I guess that probably depends on your perspective or biases.
Regardless of that and the final outcome, Spurs fans can be rightly proud of their team. To make a CL final is a superb effort, to do it by beating some of the sides they have beaten and having been all but out I don't know how many times, is even more impressive. Add to that the fact they were the better side for massive chunks of the game and there is absolutely no shame in losing at all. Spurs are a club headed very much in the right direction. Keep that squad, manager, persuade Levy to stop being such a tight wad and Spurs will be challenging for major trophies much more regularly.
Now, can someone tell me WTF I'm supposed to do for two and a half months until the season starts again!?
Whilst I don't agree with it, the penalty decision is sadly consistent with others given in this year's CL. I think it's extremely harsh, especially considering the ball hit Sissoko's shoulder first, before then rebounding to strike his arm which he seemed to be trying to get out of the way, but it is a penalty based upon the new interpretation of what constitutes one for the purposes of this year's CL, even though that doesn't seem to be applied anywhere else!... Good old FIFA strikes again :lol:
I would much prefer that FIFA simply changed the handball rule across the board to say that if the ball hits your hand or arm, regardless of any other considerations, it's a foul / penalty (if in the box ;-)). At least that way everyone would know where they stood, and it would remove the stupid grey area of whether the arm is in a natural position or not.
I would much prefer that FIFA simply changed the handball rule across the board to say that if the ball hits your hand or arm, regardless of any other considerations, it's a foul / penalty (if in the box ;-)). At least that way everyone would know where they stood, and it would remove the stupid grey area of whether the arm is in a natural position or not.
The penalty was a weird one, I completely agree Sissoko was a bit daft to have his arm out like that, but it looked to me like the ball was deliberately kicked at his arm to get a penalty. I don't see how you can book a player for diving, yet award one a penalty for bad sportsmanship. Surely the whole point of any free kick/penalty is that you're awarded an advantage for something the opponent did to you that you weren't expecting (eg a foul). Also am I wrong or was there no VAR appeal? It seemed to be based entirely on the referees decision.
edd_jedi said:
Yeah, I dunno why he had his arm up, but it hits his side then arm and, as you say, it is played on to his arm. It's not as if he has tried to block it or that there was the slightest intent behind it.still not a pen for me,
edd_jedi said:
It was checked on VAR. Obviously they agreed with ref, or at least agreed there was enough reason for him to give it.
Snaketibe said:
That only works in theory. In practice all that would happen is as soon as the ball as in the box players would aim for the defenders arm and get a pen every time. Even if you stand with ur arms behind ur back, part of the arm is always visible. Your shoulders allow ur arm to pivot up and down not from front to back so the bit of the arm directly below the shoulder is always gonna be visible. Forwards will just start chipping the ball at the defenders arm and claiming a pen.
I dunno what the solution is, but I do know you can rely on FIFA NOT to go for it until EVERYONE agrees it is the answer and that it should have come in 20 years ago.
On the commentary I watched (BT Sport 2 via their free YouTube channel), I remember them saying the VAR appeal was over, so I just assumed it was a quick decision, presumably because they felt it was clearly in breach of the new interpretation of handball in the CL.Mini99 said:
I completely agree that the ball looked deliberately kicked at Sissoko and therefore if there was any justice or consistency at all, the Liverpool player should have been booked (if it was deliberate), but of course the question for refs would then become, was it deliberate? That's why I think if they simply changed the rule to be that any time the ball touches a hand or arm it's a foul, the uncertainty disappears. Yes you would get players trying to kick the ball against an opponent to win a foul / penalty, so you would either need to accept that as a part of the game, or else allow that the referee could overrule a handball if it is deemed to be deliberately kicked against an opponent, just like they can rule that a dive has taken place... which would be messy and inconsistently applied, like all the rules! No solution is perfect, but on balance I would like to see them try the 'any time it touches the hand or arm for any reason' suggestion.... But then again, I'd also like to see the offside rule abolished! You can't say that wouldn't lead to more goals and more exciting games :-D
Interesting comment on offside. I played hockey before my hamstrings gave up (nothing to do with old age, honest). They had offsides when I started playing, but they were abolished about 20 years ago. Initially everyone thought it would just lead to horrible long balls and people stood in either "D" (or 'box' for footy) whacking the ball to their forwards or away from their own goal. But it hasn't. It has made the game a bit faster and a bit more open.
Saying that, the ball rarely leaves the ground in hockey. You can lob it but there are rules around 'dangerous play' for obvious reason. A hockey ball to the face does a lot more damage than a football. So I don't know if the two are directly comparable.
Other rules that work well in hockey that football could look at,
1) ONLY the captain can talk to the ref.
2) Swearing at the ref is a straight red, no second chances, no apologies, red card, bye bye.
3) Traffic light cards. Red, yellow, green. Green is a warning, yellow is 5-10 in sin bin, red is game over, you can also get more than 1 yellow assuming the offences are for different things.
4) If you foul someone you have to get 5 yards away to let them take the free ASAP or it's a yellow card.
5) Autopass. You get fouled. You stop the ball dead and then you can take the free to yourself straight away. As long as it's in remotely the same spot. Stop the ball and go.
The above would stop teams breaking down play and then standing in front of a free kick to prevent the other team taking it. It'll also eradicate the hounding of a ref and swearing at him.
Saying that, the ball rarely leaves the ground in hockey. You can lob it but there are rules around 'dangerous play' for obvious reason. A hockey ball to the face does a lot more damage than a football. So I don't know if the two are directly comparable.
Other rules that work well in hockey that football could look at,
1) ONLY the captain can talk to the ref.
2) Swearing at the ref is a straight red, no second chances, no apologies, red card, bye bye.
3) Traffic light cards. Red, yellow, green. Green is a warning, yellow is 5-10 in sin bin, red is game over, you can also get more than 1 yellow assuming the offences are for different things.
4) If you foul someone you have to get 5 yards away to let them take the free ASAP or it's a yellow card.
5) Autopass. You get fouled. You stop the ball dead and then you can take the free to yourself straight away. As long as it's in remotely the same spot. Stop the ball and go.
The above would stop teams breaking down play and then standing in front of a free kick to prevent the other team taking it. It'll also eradicate the hounding of a ref and swearing at him.
All 5 of those are eminently sensible suggestions which would definitely improve the game significantly. For that reason, FIFA will never introduce any of them :lol:
I actually think the yellow suspension time could be made even more painful as a deterrent, to say 15 minutes. Although I do think two yellow cards making a red is still a good deterrent to stop foul play.
For many years now, I have been in favour of the rules on bad behaviour and cheating in football being massively tightened. As already mentioned, players crowding the ref every time a decision goes against them is disgraceful, as is a player not retreating 10 yards quickly after a foul has been committed. I'd like to see instant yellow cards for each and every instance of those offences, and also for shirt pulling and holding; no exceptions, yellow card (and penalty, if appropriate) every single time. That should put a stop to it! And whilst we're on the subject, how about any player making a deliberate foul and 'taking one for the Team' to get a straight red AND a penalty awarded to the opposition, regardless of whether the offence took place in the box or not? Now that WOULD put a stop to it! :-D
I actually think the yellow suspension time could be made even more painful as a deterrent, to say 15 minutes. Although I do think two yellow cards making a red is still a good deterrent to stop foul play.
For many years now, I have been in favour of the rules on bad behaviour and cheating in football being massively tightened. As already mentioned, players crowding the ref every time a decision goes against them is disgraceful, as is a player not retreating 10 yards quickly after a foul has been committed. I'd like to see instant yellow cards for each and every instance of those offences, and also for shirt pulling and holding; no exceptions, yellow card (and penalty, if appropriate) every single time. That should put a stop to it! And whilst we're on the subject, how about any player making a deliberate foul and 'taking one for the Team' to get a straight red AND a penalty awarded to the opposition, regardless of whether the offence took place in the box or not? Now that WOULD put a stop to it! :-D
Snaketibe said:
Yeap. I should probably have added that caveat on the end. FIFA are only really interested in bribes........I mean expanding the global game, hence they gave a WC to a country that has never had it before namely Qatar, rather than award it to one of the other runners that has had loads of WC's namely Australia! Definitely no money changed hands there at all.
Ditto Russia getting the last Euro's, the EL final being in Azerbaijan etc etc.
Snaketibe said:
Hockey is, well, was, two 35 min halves. Top level is now four 15 min quarters (long story). So changing it to 15 mins may well be more approiate as footy games are longer. Saying that it is 5-10 at umpires discretion so if you've been a dick all day you get 10 mins, if it was an innocent mistake it's 5 mins.
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