Palitoy 12 bacls

[palitoyjunky]

Did anyone here take part in that telephone auction? it must have been about 12 years ago, be interested to learn who got what, this is mine;

Leia £420
Jawa £260

Was that telephone auction organised by Jason Joiner of 'Off World'??
I rem that he did do one and it must have been around 12 years ago too! I rem he had all 20 figures on display at the Sunday Cheshunt fair. But I rem him saying that he was expecting around 2.5K for the Luke, and I am sure it went for 2.2K in the end. I also rem the Luke wasn't mint, it had a card crease, was v nice though!
I bid on the Hammerhead but lost it, think that went for £180 in the end.

 

[palitoyjunky]

£420 for the Leia, that was cheap!!

 

[kingshearer]

Yes that was the auction just before ebay came along.
£2.2k for Luke!! - I guess he was the chewie of the day.
Yes it was Cheshnut (I said Brentwood earlier I must have got confused with something else) I remember seeing all 20 on a board. I also viewed then at the shop in Milton Keynes.
Apparently they all came down from Scotland in a carrier bag!

 

[palitoyjunky]

:lol: yeh I heard a guy brought them down in a ruck sac and the MOCs were not in star cases etc! Amazing!!

 

[Lee77]

Just seen the chewie auction - the cost is horrendous but let's be honest it's worth every penny.
I can't believe I missed this auction since I have a palitoy filter set up in ebay.
Probably a good thing mind since it's way outside my price range

Hi,

You just missed a pin head 12 back Han that was on ebay last week (maybe that Palitoy filter needs looking at!). It had a BIN price of 1600 pounds but you could make an offer . There were 2 other 12 backs listed at the same time from the same seller (who I think was from here), and all 3 went after 1 day so I guess an offer was made for all of them.

Also a month or so ago there was another pin head 12 back Han with a starting bid of 250 pounds on ebay which was only up for a few hours. Again I think someone made an offer and again I think it was someone from here as I'm sure I've seen it in the latest acquisitions thread recently. Maybe those people would have the best idea on price for the Han, well that's if they feel comfortable mentioning it. Other wise the last Han (pin head) I saw for sale was from Brians Toys earlier this year and it was AFA 80 and went for about 1700 pounds.

As for the Ben, I haven't seen one for a while but around the 1K mark sounds about right and you probably should forget about the Chewbacca as I've only seen the one that sold recently for sale in the last 4-5 years. I think a couple of others have changed hands through private collectors but this seems to be the one that nobody can find at the moment.

Best of luck with it all and who knows what will turn up next year as I've never seen as many MOC and resealed Palitoy 12 backs for sale as I have this year, maybe a few people out there are losing the bug.

Ian

It was me that managed to swoop in for the Han. I forget the exact price but I reckon it was around £800. Gary's bang on with 1k give or take a couple of hundred pounds.
Regarding Obi Wan, the seller I got Han from had one, but I didn't have the funds. I think he wanted around £900 for it.

 

[mr_palitoy]

I was very lucky and managed to pick up Luke, Chewie and Leia in one go from a sale of the first 12 that went up on rebelscum back in 2007 a few days before Celebration Europe. Only cost me about £500 a pop and they are all in pretty good nick.



Jason

 

[sith-smith]

I got my entire set for 9k, including 20 acrylic cases. That's around £450 a figure

Not long before I bought a complete set of the first 21 (including a 21 back Fett 8) ) for 5K. That included 12 palitoy cards (missing the usual ones..Luke, leia, Han, Ben, Chewie, Greedo death star droid and Power droid)

That completed my Kenner run and the 12 Palitoys gave me the chance to upgrade a few of the other set.

Funnily enough the only one i ended up not having was Jawa. The ones in both sets were punched whereas all other were unpunched. I sold both had a reseal for the next 5/6 years until I finally got one mint unpunched!

Who'd have thought Jawa would be the hardest?

 

[palitoyjunky]

I was just over the moon to complete my set starting my Palitoy quest so 'late in the day' ie early 2009! As mentioned and already displayed I even managed the large head Han-the rarest Palitoy 12 back!
Because of when I purchased I paid a fair bit more than 9K altogether, think it was around 12.5K but that was for all 20 and the LHH which is a bargain really!
Apart from Power Droid which only has a little card damage on the lower back so graded AFA 75 the rest are all mint ie would grade/are graded AFA 85!!

It's impressive to have a full set but a dream to have a full mint set because from my experience on the few occasions any of the the hard 5 12 backs or Power Droid etc come up for sale they will nearly always show signs of some sort of damage!! :wink:

 

[sith-smith]

I managed to get all mine unpunched...which I then became a little obsessed over and insisted on the same for the first 10 30 backs.

Even ended up with a few spares as I was upgrading them.

Luckily I've got out of that particular obsession!

 

[palitoyjunky]

Have to take my hat off to you there Gaz, to have a mint set unpunched is the icing on the cake! I have a few unpunched in my set including both Hans which is pretty cool. One other feature in my set is that the majority of my 12s are on A cards including the hard 4!! As you obviously know Han only turns up on the A card just as Jawa and DSC are only on the B.

 

[sith-smith]

I've managed to steer clear of the whole A/B thing.

It's not enough of a difference for me to want to consider have a/b on every figure (unlike with the 30 backs) It's fine to have a few on a and a few on b.

But still, things can change!! :lol:

 

[palitoyjunky]

The fact you can't get a full set on either A or B is prob the main reason for lack of interest. By no means did I set out to get A cards, just many of them came from the same source and they just happened to be A cards. I certainly would not have turned them down had they been B cards either! It's just a bonus cause if your going for the very first produced MOCs and you had a choice, naturally you would choose the first of the first ie the 'A'!

I understand in the Kenner US market 12 back A MOCs are hitting all time high prices. Who's to say what will catch on next??!! :?:

 

[sith-smith]

I think also when I started collecting them, I had no idea about a or b. When someone came round to see my set and asked what they were, I had no idea what he was talking about!!

What certainly interesting to find it out when he showed me. I guess that's another reason why I never went crasy over it.

They also aren't a new release as such, in the same way the 30b is a release of the 30a. They are just a correction, so as a result I'm happy having a mix

 

[kingshearer]

Sounds like you boys have fantastic collections - it was great reading your journeys in completing your 12 backs - alas I'll never know what that feels like
It's probably almost impossible to do it for the world, but has anyone done a census to find out how many complete Palitoy 12 sets there are in existence - just people on here would probably suffice??
I remember when I was at that off-world shop in Milton Keynes all those years ago that the lad who served me showed me the laser light text on the back of the cards which I presume is the 12A and 12B which you allude to?
I must check my cards to see what mix I have.
Another question, are all your 12 backs AFA or UKG graded I was thinking about getting my Luke graded but I'm a little apprehensive about it;
1) It might get lost/damaged in the post
2) The grade will be low
worst of all
3) It may be a reseal

I got in touch with the UKG guys a while back to see if I could bring it down in person and have it graded then and there. They could verify and grade the piece, let me know and then depending on how sad or happy I was I could just pay them for the service so far or have it proudly placed in a perspex box.
I thought that was reasonable but they said they were too busy to arrange to do something like that so he's still ungraded.
The only blemish's I seem to remember (cos I keep him at my parents) is that the card has a very slight curve from the top of the bubble to the top of thee card and the top of the bubble has a minor white stress line, there's no dings in the bubble at all..probably best just leavinag it and appreciating how rare it is regardless of any official grade..

 

[sith-smith]

The only one I have graded is the Large Head Han 12 back. I bought him like that. You could always post a pic of your Luke on here.

You should have a look in the vintage showcase section of this forum. There's some great collections on here of all kinds of different collecting areas.

In terms of how many sets, I really don't know. But there are about 7 members on here who have complete sets.

and several others had them but sold them on. Quite a few others came close.

Putting a set together is hard and costly, but achievable with time. I still maintain that they are becoming more common, not rarer and prices have a tendency to go down as well as up. You may well get a Chewie and for less than that £5600.

It's not quite an exact comparison, but the Large Head Han on a Palitoy 12 back Once sold for £5000...that is considerably rarer than the Chewie. I got one of eBay for £1750 a few years later. Prices fluctuate, just keep an eye out.

You could always try for an ESB set. But that is probably tougher.

 

[kingshearer]

Good idea Gary - I'll post a some pics of Luke on here
Completing my 12 backs is not an obsession for me really now since I'll never spend more than a grand on any figure.
I did make the mistake of thinking that once I got Luke in the bag (8ish years ago) completing my collection would just be a matter of time and furious ebay watching but it just wasn't to be.

 

[kingshearer]

Just seen your showcase Gary and I'm going to cry..
Fair play to you mate it's truely astounding - like a great artist it's must have taken up a large part of your life - did you start collecting in 1978?

 

[sith-smith]

Being on a website helps when completing a collection. People on here have always helped out others.

All the pieces I bought this year are due to someone on this site finding them for me and pointing me in the right direction.

 

[palitoyjunky]

Sounds like you boys have fantastic collections - it was great reading your journeys in completing your 12 backs - alas I'll never know what that feels like
It's probably almost impossible to do it for the world, but has anyone done a census to find out how many complete Palitoy 12 sets there are in existence - just people on here would probably suffice??
I remember when I was at that off-world shop in Milton Keynes all those years ago that the lad who served me showed me the laser light text on the back of the cards which I presume is the 12A and 12B which you allude to?
I must check my cards to see what mix I have.
Another question, are all your 12 backs AFA or UKG graded I was thinking about getting my Luke graded but I'm a little apprehensive about it;
1) It might get lost/damaged in the post
2) The grade will be low
worst of all
3) It may be a reseal

I got in touch with the UKG guys a while back to see if I could bring it down in person and have it graded then and there. They could verify and grade the piece, let me know and then depending on how sad or happy I was I could just pay them for the service so far or have it proudly placed in a perspex box.
I thought that was reasonable but they said they were too busy to arrange to do something like that so he's still ungraded.
The only blemish's I seem to remember (cos I keep him at my parents) is that the card has a very slight curve from the top of the bubble to the top of thee card and the top of the bubble has a minor white stress line, there's no dings in the bubble at all..probably best just leavinag it and appreciating how rare it is regardless of any official grade..

In my set of 21 I have 6 graded. I just picked them up that way, I have never sent off a MOC to AFA/UKG as yet, just don't fancy the risk on a piece like that! I did send off a loose VC Jawa to AFA a couple of years ago, being a loose figure I was a lot more comfortable sending that off. A couple of years ago I was toying with the idea of getting some of my pieces UKG Graded because they were willing to meet me at Mem, take the pieces off me and grade them the same day and get them back to me!! I decided against it in the end.

Most Palitoy collectors are not bothered if pieces are graded or not. I personally don't think the value of a tough 12 back is going to change much if it is graded-look at the last Chewie sale! I am not totally against grading MOCs either, they get put in a nice sealed case so they are well protected, display great and the more graded Palitoy MOCs there are, the more rough idea one can estimate how many of a particular MOC there is in existance!

It only took me just over a year and a half to complete my set(also on show case). Be clear it is not an easy set to complete by any means(I was lucky to do it in such a short time frame)BUT RELATIVELY speaking compared to any other Palitoy Empire set it is the easiest! :? That should hammer it home as to how near impossible it is to complete these Empire sets! But it is great fun to try, just never get in the mind set that you have to complete just be happy when you find another MOC to add and carry on that way!

 

[sith-smith]

Collecting is more enjoyable if you don't get too obsessed with completion.

i've battled with that on many occasions and it really does suck the enjoyment right out of it.

Sounds like you have a nice set of the first 12, even if the Luke may be a reseal (of course it may not) and the chewie has an opened bubble (though technically if it's just the top, then is it still sealed)

What about the next 8?