Nice Astons profit….if you can get it.

[yodas_uncle]

Um…….

If you think that a sealed Jawa will cost between 6-8k then I can see why you've put your reseal up at such a high price and also tell that even though you've been collecting Star Wars since 77 you seem to have given up on watching the market value for some of these items a long time ago. Here's an eye opener for you.

12B sealed Jawa with slightly crushed bubble sold for 400 GBP on April 5 2014

12B sealed AFA 80 Jawa sold for 1000 GBP on April 1 2015 (BIN)

12 sealed UKG 85 Jawa sold for 1000 GBP on January 2 2014 (BIN)

These are all from ebay sales and I know there have been others at auction during this time that have gone for less than the 1000 GBP mark.

There are very few Palitoy sealed figures that have even gotten close to your 6-8k estimate which shows me you have a lack of knowledge in this area and are getting caught up in the recent FX-7 and Boba Fett sales.

Best of luck with all your future sales and the first reseal I purchased of a resealed 12 back Jawa cost me 75 GBP and came with a Palitoy Stormtrooper and DSC and the second one was 100 GBP and the third around 70 GBP so I guess I must have been really lucky.

Love and Hugs - Ian

Well I have't see the Ebay items however I have seen 20 Palitoy figures go for between 2 and 13k. Boba Fett 13k, Chewbacca 4.4k, Greedo 2.8k, IG88 4.2k, FX-7 2.3k.

You may be right that the Jawa would fetch less than the above.

I have my 30 day advert and it it doesn't sell then I will consider lowering the price.

I have done my research though, it may be flawed, maybe not, we will find out!

 

[Palifan]

Um…….

If you think that a sealed Jawa will cost between 6-8k then I can see why you've put your reseal up at such a high price and also tell that even though you've been collecting Star Wars since 77 you seem to have given up on watching the market value for some of these items a long time ago. Here's an eye opener for you.

12B sealed Jawa with slightly crushed bubble sold for 400 GBP on April 5 2014

12B sealed AFA 80 Jawa sold for 1000 GBP on April 1 2015 (BIN)

12 sealed UKG 85 Jawa sold for 1000 GBP on January 2 2014 (BIN)

These are all from ebay sales and I know there have been others at auction during this time that have gone for less than the 1000 GBP mark.

There are very few Palitoy sealed figures that have even gotten close to your 6-8k estimate which shows me you have a lack of knowledge in this area and are getting caught up in the recent FX-7 and Boba Fett sales.

Best of luck with all your future sales and the first reseal I purchased of a resealed 12 back Jawa cost me 75 GBP and came with a Palitoy Stormtrooper and DSC and the second one was 100 GBP and the third around 70 GBP so I guess I must have been really lucky.

Love and Hugs - Ian

Well I have't see the Ebay items however I have seen 20 Palitoy figures go for between 2 and 13k. Boba Fett 13k, Chewbacca 4.4k, Greedo 2.8k, IG88 4.2k, FX-7 2.3k.

You may be right that the Jawa would fetch less than the above.

I have my 30 day advert and it it doesn't sell then I will consider lowering the price.

I have done my research though, it may be flawed, maybe not, we will find out!

It's good to mention the prices of the most recent sale at Vectis but do remember that some of these high prices are due to a few collectors after the same piece to help complete their run. Just look at the FX-7 figure you quote and remember that the one that sold at Vectis previous to this went for over 7k which is quite a drop (probably due to the fact that some others have sold privately since and the high spender now has one).

Also this post was about a resealed figure which sold a couple of weeks ago for 75 GBP plus fees and is now on at a greatly increased price. I'm sure you weren't the only bidder on this and although you may feel that it sold cheaply it didn't look like anyone else was interested in it at a higher price. This isn't to say that yours won't do well on ebay, as it may, but I still think it's a bit of an over the top estimate and feels like an advantage of a situation is being slightly taken which surprises me more when the person selling it is also a Star Wars collector themselves.

These 12/20 and 30 backs are definitely hot right now and have been for a while but with a resealed 12 back Ben selling the other day for 48 GBP, maybe certain figures are going off the boil as collectors are ticking ones off of their list.

Best of luck getting the most you can but I still think it's bad form on your part.

Ian

 

[indianawars]

Ian, you worded your responses so beautifully. There really isn't anything I disagree with that you've said, or can add too. Jon please don't take my criticisms personally, but you seem to be coming across as someone that doesn't really care about pushing up the market prices / marking them up above and beyond sensible prices. At the end of the day you can ask for whatever you want pricewise as they are your items now to sell. And as you said, if you don't like it, don't buy it... Just please bare in mind that as a collector yourself, you may only be hurting yourself in the long run by pushing the prices higher.

 

[sith-smith]

Ultimately the guy who bought those figures on Vectis to sell at higher price is totally within his rights to do so.

We might not like it and so say it's greed or just simply say it's business...but he hasn't done anything wrong.

If he feels he can get more for it then why shouldn't he try?

He tried it with the R2 and was successful. Time will tell whether he is right on the Jawa. Certainly cardbacks and reseals have gone up in price recently along with MOC.

Personally I wouldn't have thought either price fair on those two figures, but people were clearly prepared to pay it on one, so I was wrong. People putting prices up is only part of the issue. If people are willing to pay those prices, then they are just as much causing the rise as anyone else.

I don't like it either and it has meant that I have had to let certain pieces pass me by because of the value they currently hold. However the same thing happened 15 years ago when prices were much lower. They were still too much for some people to justify then and so they passed on pieces that I went on to buy.

I do however think that the justification for these prices is totally off.

Star Wars has always been a global phenomenon, and since the wonders of the internet it has been easily available worldwide.
The only Jawa that has gone for anywhere near the price you quoted (6-8k) was a VCJ one...and that had so much hype surrounding it.
Any 'R2D2 focus collector who knows full well that this is the one and only chance that he will get to get a Palitoy R2 even if the bubble has been cut' should really research more if they intend to focus on a character. They are some what deluded if that is what they think. But if they are happy with what they bought and for the price they paid, fair enough.
Comparisons with other high priced Palitoy pieces is a non starter. None of those were a resealed Jawa that sold for £75 at an auction. They (Fett, Fx7, IG88, Chewie) were all figures that are extremely tough to find in comparison to other Palitoy figures. The Jawa is far from it.


At the end of the day all I can see is someone who got a figure and thinks they can flip it for considerably more. So I can see no justification for the price other than the desire to make money.

That's not a criticism, you are perfectly entitled to do that. You seem to accept that if it doesn't sell, you'll lower the price. Makes perfect business sense. So, good luck to you.

 

[jedisearcher]

I think that if you're serious about making a business of this you really need to sharpen up your research. Similar to what Gary said, comparing 30 backs to a resealed Jawa is bizarre.

Re: the listings, presumably someone thought the added autograph was worth the premium on the R2. I've no idea what an autograph is worth, so hard to comment.

Personally, I don't think these are as bad as the other one I was complaining about because I don't think flipping relatively common stuff is much of a problem for anyone. Buy a batch of loosies, clean em up and flip them. No problem. These reseals are the same, ok one had an autograph, but resealed Palitoy cards do come up for sale quite often, so people can still find them afew weeks or months later.

It's when people hoover up properly rare stuff for the sole intent of screwing people over that's abit much for me.

But I'm over it now :lol:

Good luck with the Jawa, I'm sure you'll at least cover your costs.

 

[Palifan]

Two good posts above and pretty much what I've been saying all along.

Of course anyone can try to sell something at the price they want and good luck to them if they can get it, for me the amount of profit feels excessive and makes me feel that the seller isn't so much about being a collector and more about making some money. Again there's no problem with that if that's what you want but it seems strange to dress it up differently.

I just wanted to point out the mark up someone was hoping for on something they recently won and had no idea who this person was. Flipping items is something I have a slight problem with in certain circumstances and wanted to point it out. Also the amount of hopeful profit gain just felt like someone who was caught up in the recent high prices some figures have been sold for at auction. I've been watching the prices of these early issue Palitoy figures for years now and find these valuations way off. Maybe someone will think it's on the money and buy them but I'm unsure if it'll start a trend of reseals going for this kind of amount…..well I hope not for all of our sakes.

Ian

 

[sith-smith]

It's always a difficult balance between buying and selling.

You want to get the most for your items so you can afford other pieces you want. But because you sell your pieces high, others put their prices up to stick with the trend in pricing and so the pieces you want to buy go up. So you then raise your price for selling further...vicious circle potentially.


But like I said. I have no issue with someone trying to make a profit, but call it what it is and don't try and hide it behind vague justifications that don't really stand up to any critical analysis.

Charge what you want...people with either pay it or they won't.

I've bought things on the impulse which were in some cases double what I thought they were ideally worth. While it's down to the seller what price they were, it's entirely of my own doing that I bought them at that price.

 

[bradley1360]

hey guys get a grip,the figures/cards are only worth what someone is prepared to pay?????
the same as any other hobby/pastime/antique
If we all had the same outluck on items then none would be rarer than the other and all these would be still £0.99/£1.99 as they were in 1977/85 as we all collect different things/lines/variants
if that was the case why did no one bid against him?
There is no such thing as fair market value anymore? as we all know,if you don't like the meal,go elsewhere next time?easy as that.everyone can criticise sometime.
I collect potf moc myself,but why should I pay 5/6/7 k for a yak or Anakin moc (as they were only coppers on the shop shelves)
1 answer
I will because I want IT to complete my collection!!!
hobby,addiction call it whatever but there is a price for most things in the world

peter

 

[Palifan]

Looks like uncle yodas found his buyer :roll:

 

[edd_jedi]

We all buy and sell, but certainly from my experience this seller's only drive is to make money. I made him a private offer on here for two items listed on eBay which was the same price as on eBay minus the seller fees, in fact 2 pence more. Apparently that wasn't good enough to make it 'worth his while' and wanted £20 more, or in other words would only sell on here if it would make him more gross profit than selling on eBay would have done. So although there's nothing wrong with running a business as others do on here, you're probably barking up the wrong tree on forums if you think they're a place to milk more money out of people than you can on eBay.

 

[indianawars]

hey guys get a grip,the figures/cards are only worth what someone is prepared to pay?????
the same as any other hobby/pastime/antique
If we all had the same outluck on items then none would be rarer than the other and all these would be still £0.99/£1.99 as they were in 1977/85 as we all collect different things/lines/variants
if that was the case why did no one bid against him?
There is no such thing as fair market value anymore? as we all know,if you don't like the meal,go elsewhere next time?easy as that.everyone can criticise sometime.
I collect potf moc myself,but why should I pay 5/6/7 k for a yak or Anakin moc (as they were only coppers on the shop shelves)
1 answer
I will because I want IT to complete my collection!!!
hobby,addiction call it whatever but there is a price for most things in the world

peter

Hi Peter,

I do see your point, and I do agree with some of your comments. I think the main reason people are annoyed is the fact he's buying items just to mark them up by £200+. If this guy out bid you on a Yakface by a few pounds in the dying seconds, and then a week later lists that same item for £200/£300 more, I think even you would be extremely annoyed by that.

 

[bradley1360]

hey guys get a grip,the figures/cards are only worth what someone is prepared to pay?????
the same as any other hobby/pastime/antique
If we all had the same outluck on items then none would be rarer than the other and all these would be still £0.99/£1.99 as they were in 1977/85 as we all collect different things/lines/variants
if that was the case why did no one bid against him?
There is no such thing as fair market value anymore? as we all know,if you don't like the meal,go elsewhere next time?easy as that.everyone can criticise sometime.
I collect potf moc myself,but why should I pay 5/6/7 k for a yak or Anakin moc (as they were only coppers on the shop shelves)
1 answer
I will because I want IT to complete my collection!!!
hobby,addiction call it whatever but there is a price for most things in the world

peter

Hi Peter,

I do see your point, and I do agree with some of your comments. I think the main reason people are annoyed is the fact he's buying items just to mark them up by £200+. If this guy out bid you on a Yakface by a few pounds in the dying seconds, and then a week later lists that same item for £200/£300 more, I think even you would be extremely annoyed by that.

Ok fair enough I didn't realise that his profit margin was that much and yes I would be annoyed if it happened to me,
I think I'll stand down on this one in case I get lynched.

Peter

 

[Palifan]

We all buy and sell, but certainly from my experience this seller's only drive is to make money. I made him a private offer on here for two items listed on eBay which was the same price as on eBay minus the seller fees, in fact 2 pence more. Apparently that wasn't good enough to make it 'worth his while' and wanted £20 more, or in other words would only sell on here if it would make him more gross profit than selling on eBay would have done. So although there's nothing wrong with running a business as others do on here, you're probably barking up the wrong tree on forums if you think they're a place to milk more money out of people than you can on eBay.

Well that doesn't surprise me one bit and I'll be sure to stay clear.

Like I said earlier it's fine if profit is all you're after but don't try to dress it up as anything else, this really isn't the place for it.

Ian

 

[yodas_uncle]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-Vintage-Tri-Logo-Jawa-MOC-Carded-AFA-80-/201222439841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ed9cac3a1

Just saying lol.

 

[yodas_uncle]

We all buy and sell, but certainly from my experience this seller's only drive is to make money. I made him a private offer on here for two items listed on eBay which was the same price as on eBay minus the seller fees, in fact 2 pence more. Apparently that wasn't good enough to make it 'worth his while' and wanted £20 more, or in other words would only sell on here if it would make him more gross profit than selling on eBay would have done. So although there's nothing wrong with running a business as others do on here, you're probably barking up the wrong tree on forums if you think they're a place to milk more money out of people than you can on eBay.

Edd,

My thoughts are that you wanted the items £60 cheaper than I had them on ebay, if you want to deal outside of ebay and dodge the fees then cut me in, to the tune of £20.
I'm not used to the hustle of dealing on ebay and forums however I thank you for my education.
All I will do is challenge anybody to find my items cheaper any where else in the world. If you can I will more than match the price and apologise.

Jon

 

[jedisearcher]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-Vintage-Tri-Logo-Jawa-MOC-Carded-AFA-80-/201222439841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ed9cac3a1

Just saying lol.

I'd decided to keep out of this mess ... however ...

You're now comparing a really rare Trilogo Jawa that's got a decent AFA grade to your resealed Palitoy 12 back somehow and that's somehow why your price is justified?

Yes?

 

[Mr-shifter]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-Vintage-Tri-Logo-Jawa-MOC-Carded-AFA-80-/201222439841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ed9cac3a1

Just saying lol.

In that case, I will give you whatever this finishes for for your item.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281618701344?nav=SEARCH

It's as similar as your comparison.

 

[jedisearcher]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Star-Wars-Vintage-Tri-Logo-Jawa-MOC-Carded-AFA-80-/201222439841?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ed9cac3a1

Just saying lol.

In that case, I will give you whatever this finishes for for your item.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281618701344?nav=SEARCH

It's as similar as your comparison.

Haha lovin it! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[sith-smith]

All I will do is challenge anybody to find my items cheaper any where else in the world. If you can I will more than match the price and apologise.

Jon

Ok, look on Vectis a short while ago. A resealed Jawa sold for £75 Lot 356 I think it was. That's cheaper than yours. :wink:

 

[theslider]

Edd,

My thoughts are that you wanted the items £60 cheaper than I had them on ebay, if you want to deal outside of ebay and dodge the fees then cut me in, to the tune of £20.
I'm not used to the hustle of dealing on ebay and forums however I thank you for my education.
All I will do is challenge anybody to find my items cheaper any where else in the world. If you can I will more than match the price and apologise.

Jon

The buyer doesn't pay any fees on eBay only the seller - you should've been cutting him in!

You don't seem very good at this 'business' lark!