Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

[lejackal]

So not only are AFA c**ts for U grading but they are stupid enough to U grade something that shouldn't exist? And people pay extra for this ****!?

 

[lejackal]

Sorry, what I was trying to say is more great work Frank

 

[edd_jedi]

Remember that faked pin head han baggie that came up some time ago (can't remember where exactly - so if anyone does a link would be great) well it was a 1997 re issue han in a SW-a baggie, I have been informed via email that it was in jeff's box of baggies at one of the FF dates though not sure which, but he was informed it was a fake & a 97 issue han & from what I gather after he was told, he then simply threw it back in the box so some poor unsuspecting buyer would still get it, which they obviously did as I remember reading about it somewhere, if the guy who sent me that info is willing I will share full details one I hear once I hear back from them that it is ok to do so.

He had that for sale at the August 2016 Farthest From when I bought my very first baggies from him, he said it was unusual and he hadn't seen one before. It had the 'correct' grey blaster from the Classic Edition Four Pack too (1995, not 97)

 

[Michael Sith]

The real sad thing is this thread in no more than 2 weeks old, not even that & it's had more views in that short time than the baggie guide has which has been up for over 4 years & most of the info needed to avoid being stung by fakes is listed on there :?

Agreed .....however, I have used the guide many times, in the main to check on baggie types, how they originated, and the interest it spawns, becomes slightly obsessive!

I genuinely believe that the whole scandal being so diligently researched and presented has reached a wide audience and in a strange way may now increase interest in baggies, and those embarking afresh will use the guide as a bible :wink:
The work done on the baggie guide is outstanding Frank and a testament to your knowledge and commitment to the hobby. The old adage...forewarned is forearmed as they say.

Again Frank...yourself and all the members of the team need to be applauded for the Stellar work done to bring this to the attention of the collecting world

 

[spoons]

So not only are AFA c**ts for U grading but they are stupid enough to U grade something that shouldn't exist? And people pay extra for this ****!?

Ha ha - made me laugh :lol:

 

[Frunkstar]

Admission that he is not familiar with either the baggietype the rebel commandos or the ree yee's come in, but is happy to sell them, I later confirmed the ree yee's to be fake as well as the rebel commandos (see joe o's watch out thread & also page 8 of the baggie guide (fakes section)

Now he had multiples of both of these yet again continued to sell them knowing this, so how many types of confirmed fakes that he is aware of & still happy to sell are we up to now??? :?

Also he is a keen collector but look at the statement in the below email -

 

[Frunkstar]

Emails chatting about the eb set one of the member here bought & had to return due to various reasons including fake items / resealed items & undisclosed damage to items (**** thats a lot of things wrong with just 1 item) oh almost forgot the important bit,the buy says it would seem that one of the bagged figures has been touched up / repainted - ring any Tri Logo Fett bell's??

Follow up email from the buyer to Jeff, we were discussing this at the time & I feel such an idiot now for helping him & even going on RS to say he is a good guy, which at the time it seemed

Note the bit about him asking why he would rather talk on the phone than send messages so the buyer has a permanent record - seem familiar (podcast & not coming on here)

Below a further message on the same subject matter (eb set & it's sale to Waffenmiester)

Things worth noting underlines in red which you can read directly, but bullet points -

1. he confirms his stateside buyer as Matt

2. says now the EB set has been returned he can see it is indeed faked in parts

3. goes on about his bulk buying process with this Matt guy

4. shows clearly he is buying to flip for a good profit (blue snags in bulk)

5. states the R2 baggie is a bloody good reseal :lol:

 

[tiefighterboy]

Remember that faked pin head han baggie that came up some time ago (can't remember where exactly - so if anyone does a link would be great) well it was a 1997 re issue han in a SW-a baggie, I have been informed via email that it was in jeff's box of baggies at one of the FF dates though not sure which, but he was informed it was a fake & a 97 issue han & from what I gather after he was told, he then simply threw it back in the box so some poor unsuspecting buyer would still get it, which they obviously did as I remember reading about it somewhere, if the guy who sent me that info is willing I will share full details one I hear once I hear back from them that it is ok to do so.

He had that for sale at the August 2016 Farthest From when I bought my very first baggies from him, he said it was unusual and he hadn't seen one before. It had the 'correct' grey blaster from the Classic Edition Four Pack too (1995, not 97)

So he was trying to sell a classic 4 pack Han in a vintage SW baggie???????????? :shock:

 

[edd_jedi]

Yep!

 

[Frunkstar]

last few for today before I start digging through further emails :? said it would take time.

these are all just to back up he is indeed a trader not a simple collector & is indeed buying in bulk for profit rather the to further his own collection.

Just getting rid of unwanted **** from the lot just in & next bulk lot due soon

The amount of stuff I get to sell eh :?

last one above - can't even remember whats in the lot as he's bought that much

 

[Frunkstar]

Remember that faked pin head han baggie that came up some time ago (can't remember where exactly - so if anyone does a link would be great) well it was a 1997 re issue han in a SW-a baggie, I have been informed via email that it was in jeff's box of baggies at one of the FF dates though not sure which, but he was informed it was a fake & a 97 issue han & from what I gather after he was told, he then simply threw it back in the box so some poor unsuspecting buyer would still get it, which they obviously did as I remember reading about it somewhere, if the guy who sent me that info is willing I will share full details one I hear once I hear back from them that it is ok to do so.

He had that for sale at the August 2016 Farthest From when I bought my very first baggies from him, he said it was unusual and he hadn't seen one before. It had the 'correct' grey blaster from the Classic Edition Four Pack too (1995, not 97)

So he was trying to sell a classic 4 pack Han in a vintage SW baggie???????????? :shock:

Funny he never offered me that :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Frunkstar]

Admission that he is not familiar with either the baggietype the rebel commandos or the ree yee's come in, but is happy to sell them, I later confirmed the ree yee's to be fake as well as the rebel commandos (see joe o's watch out thread & also page 8 of the baggie guide (fakes section)

Now he had multiples of both of these yet again continued to sell them knowing this, so how many types of confirmed fakes that he is aware of & still happy to sell are we up to now??? :?

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Also he is a keen collector but look at the statement in the below email -

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here are the photos again which I should have included with the above really, all 3 of the items discussed in that mail, of which not a dam one is authentic :?

 

[newswseller]

Having read every single post on here, it looks certain Jeff was fishing for information as to how to make these baggies near indistinguishable from the real ones.

With hindsight, its clear from the amount the baggies that Frank was continuously rejecting that something untoward was happening. Can someone buying baggies with 20yrs collecting experience be that unlucky to be landed with that many fakes?

Also his massive hauls from the states are probably pure fantasy, how can 'his guy' be able to locate all this stuff all the time, stuff that other long term collectors are consistently looking for and have never found.. yet his guy has no trouble locating it, and also in bulk and then sells it to Jeff at cost plus a finders fee for him to reap the rewards?

I believe every one of Jeffs emails to Frank were carefully written so that Jeff would only appear as the naive middleman.

If you were buying in bulk for many thousands of $'s you would know who you had bought off and there would be email/financial trails to back it up.

 

[Frunkstar]

here is an email showing an imperial commander baggie I was asking about he had in a bulk lot, i asked about it & bought it years ago when I was a lot more trusting of Jeff due to previous deals done -

Close up of the picture in the email

Below a photo of the baggie I got, at the time I did not check it as closely as I should but when I became more suspicious after Jeff selling on the red text baggies I pulled all the baggies I had bought from him previously to check in more detail, admittedly I should have spotted it sooner, but when you build a working relationship with someone over time a certain level of trust & confidence in the seller is reached & you don't look as close as you would if buying from say ebay.

You can see it's the same one from the email images, you can also see clearly when it is laid next to a similar baggie it's just way to short & IMO is a clear case of a resealed baggie that has been cut down below the original heat seal to apply a 2nd lower fake heat seal, also on close inspection the heat seals do not match other genuine examples of this baggies type.

I still have this baggie as you can see by the below photo showing the tail end of this thread in the background on the laptop screen & is one of several questionable baggies I still have that came from the same seller.

 

[Dannywhiteley]

Could you not open it and have the figure checked for prints?

 

[lejackal]

Could you not open it and have the figure checked for prints?

This should also be the nail in the coffin for Toni but who knows why no one has done it

 

[Mr-shifter]

Could you not open it and have the figure checked for prints?

This should also be the nail in the coffin for Toni but who knows why no one has done it

You have to get the original fingerprints first. I can't see either willingly doing that.

 

[lejackal]

Could you not open it and have the figure checked for prints?

This should also be the nail in the coffin for Toni but who knows why no one has done it

You have to get the original fingerprints first. I can't see either willingly doing that.

Match Toni to his cabinet and Jeff to any other purchase from him?

 

[Dannywhiteley]

A shiny figure like a C3PO or DSD would be ideal.

 

[Frunkstar]

Remember that faked pin head han baggie that came up some time ago (can't remember where exactly - so if anyone does a link would be great) well it was a 1997 re issue han in a SW-a baggie, I have been informed via email that it was in jeff's box of baggies at one of the FF dates though not sure which, but he was informed it was a fake & a 97 issue han & from what I gather after he was told, he then simply threw it back in the box so some poor unsuspecting buyer would still get it, which they obviously did as I remember reading about it somewhere, if the guy who sent me that info is willing I will share full details one I hear once I hear back from them that it is ok to do so.

He had that for sale at the August 2016 Farthest From when I bought my very first baggies from him, he said it was unusual and he hadn't seen one before. It had the 'correct' grey blaster from the Classic Edition Four Pack too (1995, not 97)

So he was trying to sell a classic 4 pack Han in a vintage SW baggie???????????? :shock:

Did some more digging through my emails & came up with all this I had long since forgotten about the figure/baggie in question which I had long ago confirmed as a fake re-issued classic 4 pack han from 1997 :?

This is the baggie in question which he had for sale at FF august 2016

Emails below about him asking about it, me confirming after doing all the leg work for him to confirm it's wrong (as usual) & him still not getting it & wanting to buy it after I have already confirmed it's a bloody fake or re-issued figure & there was NEVER a china coo han pin head & no way would it have ever made it to an ESB era baggie if there had been.

I will just let you read the emails for yourselves rather than going on at length, but you get the idea - ha asked me, I told him it's ****, he understands that (eventually) & then still buys it & several years later is still trying to sell it even though I am not the only one to have confirmed it's a fake to him :?

]BTW - Jeff NEVER knowingly sells fake baggies



.

 

[Frunkstar]

A shiny figure like a C3PO or DSD would be ideal.

Indeed, but Jeff would need to be willing to give DNA & fingerprint samples as well as several confirmed fakes being open'd & checked in a lab, this all costs money, even if willing folks are going to need to open multiple baggies & Jeff will need to agree to samples who is covering the bills.

 

[spoons]

Frank, the above email exchange goes someway to backing up Grant's 'doofus' description of Jeff. It doesn't sound like he's making these from that exchange.

But definitely backs up him knowingly selling fakes

 

[tiefighterboy]

So if I play dumb and claim ignorance.. That's a free pass???

 

[spoons]

So if I play dumb and claim ignorance.. That's a free pass???

Errr no...

Where's the free pass, just said the emails back up Grants comments. He's clearly been knowingly selling fake baggies but is a bit slow on the uptake (to put it politely)

 

[Frunkstar]

Frank, the above email exchange goes someway to backing up Grant's 'doofus' description of Jeff. It doesn't sound like he's making these from that exchange.

But definitely backs up him knowingly selling fakes

He maybe an idiot, but he's no fool Andy

 

[yoda]

Theres a saying it takes a wise man to act a fool.

 

[Frunkstar]

Theres a saying it takes a wise man to act a fool.

Wise words indeed!!

 

[maxf]

So if I play dumb and claim ignorance.. That's a free pass???

Errr no...

Where's the free pass, just said the emails back up Grants comments. He's clearly been knowingly selling fake baggies but is a bit slow on the uptake (to put it politely)

Ignorance of the law is no defence - that saying rings true here imo. He might come across as an idiot but he knew what he was doing.

 

[spoons]

So if I play dumb and claim ignorance.. That's a free pass???

Errr no...

Where's the free pass, just said the emails back up Grants comments. He's clearly been knowingly selling fake baggies but is a bit slow on the uptake (to put it politely)

Ignorance of the law is no defence - that saying rings true here imo. He might come across as an idiot but he knew what he was doing.

I don't think I am saying anything different - h 'knowingly selling fake baggies'

 

[spoons]

Frank, the above email exchange goes someway to backing up Grant's 'doofus' description of Jeff. It doesn't sound like he's making these from that exchange.

But definitely backs up him knowingly selling fakes

He maybe an idiot, but he's no fool Andy

Don't doubt that for a second Frank