I'm going to JAIL!

[Grant]

I cant be arsed to read any of that or the sock account.

My thought exactly. I saw "Ben" had signed up and his first post was defending him and I sighed. I looked at the length of the post and gave it a go, but got bored a quarter of the way in. Then Andy comes back and posts what I assume is full length copy of War and Peace. Bollocks am I wading though that much BS, especially when there's paint drying that I could be watching.

Best post of the entire thread lol. :lol:

 

[Joe]

You are like a bunch of hyenas on here, that is why I do not use forums, and many people I know do not.

I think it's far more likely that the real reason you don't use forums is because you aren't interested in (or capable of) being part of a community of collectors.

I have counted the amount of emails off forum members and some of my customers backing me up on this. So far it totals 116 emails of support. Many more than are supporting you on this thread Grant.

That either means you've had 115 emails off of Karen (oh and one from Ben) or you've just linked this thread to 116 friends/family members or customers who all side with you.

You aren't seriously going to pretend there are 116 people visiting this forum regularly enough to have reached out to you in support after seeing this thread..116 "serious collectors" who just happen to be SWF lurkers? :roll:

((wtf is a serious collector anyway? Someone with a **** load of money that doesn't give a **** about anyone else but them? :lol: ))

I've certainly not seen the user list jump up from 20-30 to 100+ over the last few days and in all honesty we probably only get about 10 guests at most a day and most of those are bots or people that can't sign in from work..not these serious palitoy collectors/SWF lurkers that are put off from joining in as members because everyone here is horrible and nasty..

I can guarantee you that the majority of members (vocal or not) here are only seeing the truth which is that you were asked (quite nicely) to put disclaimers in your toni auctions by Grant and you didn't.

It's pretty clear Grant was never rude to you through eBay, nor did he hound you..in fact by the looks of it he just gave up on you as you weren't interested in listening or changing your descriptions. I can't blame him for making people aware of that in your for recent sales thread as I can see quite clearly how your attitude towards other collectors can get up peoples noses.

Would it really have been that hard at the time he contacted you to I don't know..get involved? Ask for advice? Post pictures of your figures here and see what the verdict was? It looks like the only investigation you did into those figures was to ask the man accused of forging them..he wasn't exactly going to admit to it over the phone was he?

As for the other stuff: I don't know the ins and outs of your beef with Lee G (although if I remember rightly that German seller ended up being a lying scumbag anyway) but I can tell that you he's earned a lot more respect around here over the years than you have and I've heard plenty of stories of him going above and beyond to get certain pieces to peoples collections without trying to make "as much money as possible". In fact he's probably sold a lot more items at cost to genuine collectors than you ever have so I'm inclined to believe you might be telling some porkies with that one too.

I'm sure everyone has realised now that your threats of legal action are empty ones, threats just meant to scare people into giving you personal details of Grant/Jason and whoever else you are upset with but lets be honest - you aren't going to take people to court over this are you. I mean on the strength of the evidence you would be a fool to even consider it.

We've had a few people threaten legal action over threads that upset them, most of the time it's because what's being discussed or said about them is actually true and they just can't admit that..

 

[M4K3R1]

I read a previous post of someone stating that Andy wants as much as he can for the figures and was quite confused, Palitoy figures are much sought after and are rare, if it was me I would be wanting as much as I could get for mine, that is just simple business and there is a big market now and huge demand.

Felt I need to answer you since you are refering to my post. No need for you to feel confused.
As I said in my previous post, about wanting to get as much as he can get for the figures, that is all fine and every one even myself likes to get as much as possible, but if you want to run a private auction through the message system here, the way he is selling them here,
then the best place for that is ebay. You can achieve the high amount desired by setting a fixed price high on here, and working your offers from there, otherwise send it online auction and let it find its current value by the bidders interested in buying it. Otherwise PM ing offers through here will mean that members are competing against members, and that to me goes against what these forums are about.
Palitoy is sought after at the moment as you mention, but so is just about every other foreign logo moc, its not hard to make a list with prices and put it for sale here.

 

[Palifan]

I read a previous post of someone stating that Andy wants as much as he can for the figures and was quite confused, Palitoy figures are much sought after and are rare, if it was me I would be wanting as much as I could get for mine, that is just simple business and there is a big market now and huge demand.

Felt I need to answer you since you are refering to my post. No need for you to feel confused.
As I said in my previous post, about wanting to get as much as he can get for the figures, that is all fine and every one even myself likes to get as much as possible, but if you want to run a private auction through the message system here, the way he is selling them here,
then the best place for that is ebay. You can achieve the high amount desired by setting a fixed price high on here, and working your offers from there, otherwise send it online auction and let it find its current value by the bidders interested in buying it. Otherwise PM ing offers through here will mean that members are competing against members, and that to me goes against what these forums are about.
Palitoy is sought after at the moment as you mention, but so is just about every other foreign logo moc, its not hard to make a list with prices and put it for sale here.

I agree totally with the above and this whole thing started as you like to do business a certain way with no interest with how the place your selling something has done things for years. Could you not see that this was going to upset people? Nobody's going to really care how you want to do business on a place where everyone does things differently.

I can understand how mistakes can happen especially with no hard rule about selling on here (perhaps something that maybe does need to be clarified to stop this happening in the future?), but to then still not really care in any way about it ,what did you really think was going to happen? For the way you like to do business then ebay really is the right place although I still can't quite see how you'll end up with less time wasters on there then through somewhere like here where you've stated a price and included pictures. I mean what's really going to happen, someone says they want something and then doesn't pay? Just move onto the next in line.

 

[tiefighterboy]

At any rate guys he is gone now, by his own accord....but let's face it..he would have been banned anyways. He was not a contributor to the community and obviously did not care for many of the members here or this forum (or probably any other forum he may be a member of). I am sure there are few who will still deal with him from here due to his stellar selling rep, but like I said before no matter how much I want something, no matter how rare, no matter what the deal...If you are a total ****ing twat...I would never purchase anything from you, exception being..at your estate sale.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Jason

 

[JuniorChubb]

Jason

Grant C the man who crawled through a river of **** and came out clean the other end...

BTW watch out for the Sisters when you are inside :shock:

 

[DarthStanley]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wasnt even going to post a reply to this, but somebody (one of my customers) has made me aware of yet more insulting bullshit coming from a minority of people and feel the need to put a reply to some of the nonsense you are writing. This is the only post I will put up about this as I have not got time to argue with 20 of Grants friends and Grant on a forum. First thing I want to get straight is how the hell am I now a bully as I have requested a phone call? I have requested a phone call as I run several businesses and have not got time to sit on here all day arguing with 20 people on my own. Anybody who is an adult wouldnt have a problem doing that, if somebody is hurling abuse at you then why can they only do it via a forum with an audience of friends. Reason being you are not man Grant you are a little kid. Some people on here really need to grow up. As far as I know I could be arguing with a robot, as the user Grant has no voice, no name or contact details, so I am now refusing to get into a forum debate with somebody who doesnt actually exist in my eyes......And for that fact just how am I going to take somebody to court who will not provide a name, address, email, or phone number? Asked quite a few people on the forum who know Grants identity but will not provide it, nor will the forum. You want to get this show on the road Grant, then drop us some details.

You are like a bunch of hyenas on here, that is why I do not use forums, and many people I know do not. I have counted the amount of emails off forum members and some of my customers backing me up on this. So far it totals 116 emails of support. Many more than are supporting you on this thread Grant. Some very well respected people in your community have said how out of order you lot are, I promised I would keep them anon as they did not want to be identified. Infact around 20 of my customers have said they wanted to get involved in the thread and argue and I have told them not to, theres just no point arguing with you lot its pointless and I do not want them to waste their precious time. I also do not need "a community of friends" to back me up unlike Grant. It made me laugh when somebody put I have turned 2000 collectors against me because of this argument quite funny that. So far I have counted around 20 sad little house husbands who have commented, the majority of those do not even collect and are all Grants forum buddies. I tell you what Grant I will send you a link to my facebook page and lets have an argument on there with 5000 of my friends and see how you like getting character assassinated. Thing is on here, you dont like people who are not part of your community coming on. I have spoken to a guy I know called Ben this morning who is from Stockport, he has posted a comment on this thread supporting me basically and it has not been approved. Surprise surprise! That is because you just like a one sided argument and wouldnt let anybody who supports the other side of the argument have an input, so just what is the point?

You actually think this thread will do anything damaging to my business do you? A guy who knows you Grant and is a close friend of yours was buying cases from the store last night, he has been dealing with me since 2010 and knows the service he gets, he has seen this thread and advised me to ignore it and that you think before you speak which I can fully believe!. Again he didnt want to get invovled and I appreciate that. You or this forum has not put him off buying. The stuff I sell is bespoke stock and I have a database of 5000 loyal customers, far more customers that come on this forum. All of them buy regular from me, all of them get a great service (check out my ebay feedback 100% positive all 5 star). The stuff I sell is bespoke made so if people dont want to get it from me they can go elsewhere and get charged much more and pay more shipping from America. My customers are all I care about, you and 20 of your silly little friends do not interest me. Funny thing is the tiny handful of people who say they will not buy from me will prob be putting orders through next week. If they do they will be getting a refund and getting banned from my shop.

Going back to the toy toni thing, the messages you posted from ebay prove what I said. At the time I had a conversation with toy toni and he clearly said it was a load of rubbish and he was speaking to his solicitor and suing the parties involved. That for me was good enough. The stories were rubbish as far as I was concerned. I have known Tony for a while and really thought he was genuine. Thats it. No need for all the abuse and slander (or liable as you pointed out which is essentially the same thing!). As soon as it got more serious, we changed the listings. Again I will point out I was in China for 2 months on a business trip with no internet access when the BBC investigation started. As soon as the BBC confirmed it was almost without doubt we changed the listings. I helped the BBC into their investigation TBH, gave him some very useful info and he was very greatful. He even asked me to do a TV interview which I naturally declined.

Another observation I have made, which is why I do not come on forums is that none of the serious buyers get involved in these silly threads posted by the bored house husbands of the forum. Infact all the serious buyers I know do not go on any forums as a lot of the people who are on them are not normal! I just dont know where you lot get the time to post on here daily. Do you not work, do you not have a partner, are you lonely? I myself cant find time to go to sleep I am that busy nevermind involve myself with forum threads daily.

The reason I never posted any photos or invited chat on the forum about my collection was that I was scared of getting abuse from people on here, that was part of the reason I asked people to email me and call me direct (does that make me a bully now as well because I have asked people to contact me via a TELEPHONE!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: ) I also hate the functionality of the site and tried to upload pics and it wouldnt let me, and the last reason was I didnt want to get my time wasted getting involved in a thread like this. How wright I was proved to do it the way I did.

This is my last post on this elite community page I am glad to say, what a waste of my time it has been. God just to think I only wanted to sell some stuff. Out of the people who have actually bought all my thirty backs and the rest of the stuff so far, have a guess what? Not one has been through the forum. What does that tell you? For all the time I have wasted I should have just stuck to my contacts and ebay. Far safer than coming on here. I would rather go to Afghanistan than come on here its much safer there :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was also quite amusing to see that it really made some peoples day that I was having to sell up. Well let me disappoint you! I am basically selling up for a very big business venture which will make me a very rich person in around 12-24 months. I need as much funding as possible so am liquidating my stock. The reason I am selling up is that I have another collector in the USA who has everything I have minus 3 pieces which I am keeping. He has agreed to sell me his collection in a year or so, basically whenever I am ready. All of his collection is AFA graded 85 plus, he has been collecting 20 years. The price has been agreed so as soon as I turn my investment round I will be back I am afraid...sorry to piss you off with that one Lee Gregory

Oh speaking of Lee Gregory, he doesnt like me as he is basically a conman. I messed up his little plan of deceiving a German guy who came to him on the forum for help and advice. You all make me laugh stood on your moral high ground, making out you are a community who helps and cares for fellow collectors when you are blatantly bent as ****. This guy asked Lee what a 30 back Fett was worth. He then deceived the guy and told him little more than a few hundred quid (WTF I couldnt live with myself!!) He then listed it on ebay for Lee to buy for around 300 quid. I noticed it and offered a grand, and eventually went upto 2000, which is much more fair price for the seller. Lee had not paid for it so he said I could have it, then ended up just relisting it anyway and got around 3000 for it on ebay. This is why Lee Gregory dislikes me and felt the need to comment on the sales thread. I still speak to the German guy who hates Lee, he has told him what a twat he thinks he is, and has all the emails between them which shows how Lee tried to con this guy, its a low thing to do that Lee shame on you, you disgrace your fellow Jedi doing such a thing.

Ok well thats me done, will deactivate my account now (thank god!) will get one of the jedi council to action it. As I said Grant I do not need to hide behind a forum. If you manage to get a set of balls and and be an adult about things instead of a little kid, my number is 07775330092 or if you do not have a voice [email protected]. I dont need to hide. And for that fact any other half wit who has insulted me on this thread feel free to do it without your little mates backing you up. FYI last time I was on here and 20 of you ganged up on me I did call some of you nerds and that is exactly what some of you are. Nerds who sit behind a pc 24 hours a day watching porn and star wars films on repeat.

Now put what you want after this post I really do not give a toss, as I will not see any replies or have an account. Thanks for your help and support guys dont know what I would have done without it. Bye

P.S.**** off to ebay you tramps dickcheese! :lol:

 

[Lee Gregory]

As I've been mentioned I may as well comment. I don't like you Andy, as many other people I know in the community do not, because of your sheer arrogance. When you came onto the scene a few years back, you were advised that it would be difficult to come across some of the figures that have never been found, yes a few have surfaced in that time, including your 45a Luke, which is a bargain at £7k, if anyone is interested.....

As for the Fett that was on ebay,
Fact it was a 41 bk not a 30 you idoit.
Fact it was listed as a buy it now for £850
Fact I paid for it straight away
Fact, I had never spoken to this guy or even knew who he was, so it wasn't me who was trying to dupe him. Sounds the sort of thing you would do to be honest
Can't prove this bit but, certain the deal was scuppered by your good self.

I can get the payal re eipt to prove it if I could be bothered.

Why don't you do us all a favour, sell up and do one.

Or even better, buy your full collection of AFA 85's from the US, like all the other massive weekly hauls you seem to land, then you will have your complete collection, better than anyone else's

 

[Lee Gregory]

All about the ego isn't it Andy,you are always right, biggest and best collection, most money ect ect ect.....

 

[Lee Gregory]

One final comment, thanks Joe for the kind words. Yeah I like to think I have helped people out in my time,as have many others helped me.

Exactly what this forum is all about , blokes helping each other out where they can and having a bit of a laugh. Shame Andy can't grasp this concept....

 

[jasdev999]

He's right about porn and Star Wars on repeat though...

 

[fuzzybuzzytoys]

He's right about porn and Star Wars on repeat though...

Theres a difference?

 

[stratpack]

He's right about porn and Star Wars on repeat though...

Theres a difference?

Unless its the prequels, thats a whole different kind of **** (up)!

 

[slim]

no difference for me either :mrgreen: , some collectors dont care about the toys/films and helping other collectors out ...all they see is money and the more they can rip people off and make more money the better ! Andy there was no need to slag us all of here that was just childish and stupid and i wont go to that level ! As a result of your actions on this forum your ebay auctions will be under the magnifying glass like never before and i suspect past customers will be getting in touch about returning moc's and that is your fault as you handled this all wrong ! i sent andy a reply to his email looking fotos on the boba fett moc as i have my doubts on it , guess i wont be getting a reply now :lol: Thats one thing i love about this forum ....great spirit and that way the chaps on here have others back is fxxkin great :wink:

 

[palitoyjunky]

As I've been mentioned I may as well comment. I don't like you Andy, as many other people I know in the community do not, because of your sheer arrogance. When you came onto the scene a few years back, you were advised that it would be difficult to come across some of the figures that have never been found, yes a few have surfaced in that time, including your 45a Luke, which is a bargain at £7k, if anyone is interested.....

As for the Fett that was on ebay,
Fact it was a 41 bk not a 30 you idoit.
Fact it was listed as a buy it now for £850
Fact I paid for it straight away
Fact, I had never spoken to this guy or even knew who he was, so it wasn't me who was trying to dupe him. Sounds the sort of thing you would do to be honest
Can't prove this bit but, certain the deal was scuppered by your good self.

I can get the payal re eipt to prove it if I could be bothered.

Why don't you do us all a favour, sell up and do one.

Or even better, buy your full collection of AFA 85's from the US, like all the other massive weekly hauls you seem to land, then you will have your complete collection, better than anyone else's

Ok, have to say that Andy's rant regarding Lee Gregory is total bollocks :!: Anyone who knows Lee Gregory will also know it is total bollocks :!:
Lee is one of the nicest honest most helpful guys one could ever hope to meet in this hobby. He has gone out of his way to help many collectors-including myself. Have said it before if it were not for him I would prob have never got some of the awesome pieces I have in my collection today 8)

Regarding that eBay incident the only elements playing a dirty underhanded game was Andy himself and that German twat :!: Lee paid promptly (as he ways does) the asking price so item sold and paid for, then Andy steams in and offers more so the German makes up some BS about the piece being damaged And doesn't sell to Lee! What was amusing was Andy didn't get the Fett either no doubt due to a piss poor offer and the fact the German was told a true value of the 41 Fett! Yes a 41 not a 30 back :!: :!: Note that Lee paid the asking BIN price and didn't come in with a lowball offer :!:

Andy wants to talk about dirty play on eBay try this one;
A few years ago an Empire Palitoy Slave 1 was listed, it was a beauty as it had never been opened and stored for 30+ years from new 8) only thing is that the factory sealed tape had dried up. If memory serves it was an auction style listing starting bid £50. So being such a hot desirable piece in that condition I made a fair offer for the piece without messing the guy about. He was happy to accept! Then Andy steams in saying he wants it and what would the guy want off ebay. The guy kindly explained it was sold but Andy carried on with aggressive emails saying he will match and beat what was offered to a point of offending the seller :!: I know of Andy's classless emails because the seller was forwarding them on to me and we were having a great laugh :lol:

Pissing off and offending decent communities seems to b a common trait with Andy as rumour has it he did the same with the Action Man collectors community :evil:
Once he sells up I hope he is gone for good. My only fear is who will he upset next :!:

 

[spoons]

I've missed all this nonsense until now - this Andy sounds and acts like a cock of the highest order.

The message would seem to be avoid at all costs.

 

[Grant_C]

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:lol:

In fairness I guess your also not your post count :lol:

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

I've missed all this nonsense until now - this Andy sounds and acts like a cock of the highest order.

The message would seem to be avoid at all costs.

Absolutely.

I certainly wont be dealling with him ever again!

He is the one that has given his company a bad name by acting like a complete twat

 

[Bootyhunter]

What an utter dickhead!

When the whole Toni story broke I did actually wonder if
Toni was behind actionforcetoys as so many we're being
unloaded on EBay.

It's a real shame when arseholes come on to the forum
and try and bad mouth good people.