Graded Yak with a Blaster???

[PGowdy]

As Joe says it may well have been the bubble was ****ed and the blaster would have fallen out soon, thus having it U graded at least preserves the proof it was what it was. Yes, I know it destroys the MOC and I'm not excusing it at all, I've no love of U grades, I just think it's hard to comment without knowing the whole history. Sadly, I don't think Robbie is going to tell us, and I suspect some people may not believe him if he sad the bubble was badly cracked but sure.
Either way it's a shame to see such an usual figure no longer on its card.

So do you think every Ugrade he's done has a story behind it that justifies the Ugrade or just this one? Or some of them do and some of them don't? Or he just Ugrades regardless for financial gain?
I think this argument is tenable if someone happens to have 1 Ugrade in their collection or sold 1 ugrade having never done before. There could be a reason. Someone who does it over and over and over again this argument is giving them WAY to much credit
Unless i'm confusing this guy with another Robbie. The one i'm thinking of is a serial ugrader. Been doing it for years.... :?

 

[weasel]

Nah, you've got me wrong there.
I'm not saying it's okay, far from it. I hate U grades as much as the next guy. I'm saying we don't know what condition it was in prior to being graded. If, IF, it was badly cracked then it may have been the least bad option in terms of protecting the proof that it was a miscard etc. Doesn't mean I like U grades and I know Robbie is one of the biggest culprits around. I wish he didn't do it, and I wish idiots didn't pay four times the price just for a stupid U grade, but he does and they do, and all this inspite of most sane collectors pointing out the long term damage it is doing to the hobby.
Sadly, some people just see the money and don't give a **** about anything else.

That also applies to Franks comment about MOC's being looked after and passed from collector to collector. We've all had MOC's posted to us in brown envelopes etc. sadly some people just don't consider preservation, they see money and try to limit their own cost/maximise their profits and MOC's get destroyed as a result. That's especially common among people who don't collect and just flog off old toys or loft finds. We've all had the "sorry I didn't think condition mattered" idiot reply after they post you a previously pristine MOC in a ****ing condom.

Long story short, I'm not defending Robbie. I wish he didn't do it, but he's not going to listen to any of us. I just don't think we can say for sure that it shouldn't have been U graded/graded unless we know what condition it was in before hand.

That make any more sense?

 

[Grant_C]

I said that, not Frank. :lol:

 

[Josh]

Serial U-Grader :lol: ....You coined it, Pete. Makes it sound so much worse.

:lol:

 

[weasel]

I said that, not Frank. :lol:

Doh! :lol:

 

[PGowdy]

Yeah that's what i thought you meant. I didn't think you were defending ugrades but i did think you were giving Robbie too much credit in assuming he gives any thought to the condition of something before ugrading it. Someone who does it that much does it for the money and doesn't consider condition. It is a very long-shot to suggest it may have been a beater, possible, just not reasonable to think it's probable. As i said, i think that's giving him way too much credit.
The guy from AFA went down that same road (of bull-****) when he posted that long winded manifesto of non-sense here a year or so back, saying how some ugrades are beaters and they may as well be ugraded cos they are on cut cards or badly crushed bubbles. I asked "so if a card was in perfect condition you're saying you wouldn't ugrade it" for obvious reasons he didn't answer that.

 

[weasel]

Yeah, you may well be right. I know previously Robbie has also listed the cards as well, so people have been able to see the general condition of the MOC's destroyed to feed the U grade fad. Sadly, a lot have been in very decent nick. I haven't seen one this time. It may be I've missed it, or he hasn't listed it. Or it may be it was so badly fooked it wasn't even worth listing.

Either way, we all know Robbie doesn't care what we think, so another thread bashing him is just us banging our heads off a wall.

 

[Grant_C]

Reminds me of Angkor Wat where Buddhist statues have had their noses cut off so one person can make a quick buck at the cost of timeless culture.

I also find calling ugraders names counterproductive. This reminds me of when oppressive religion for example, is defended by atheists as somehow challenging the ethics of religious morality of its members is a taboo.

Collectors will defend serial ugraders being called names as they see call duck a duck- detrimental to the discourse because naught words like '****' is used. Therefore making brutally honest description of ugraders character a taboo.

I find the best way to get around this is to simply just add 'LOL' after '****' allows for the message to be given while striding under taboos radar like a beautiful gizelle.

So excuse me while I get my Rambo knife 'lol', I'm off to defend culture.

 

[Josh]

Lock up your Staffies boys. :lol:

 

[Josh]

Yeah, you may well be right. I know previously Robbie has also listed the cards as well, so people have been able to see the general condition of the MOC's destroyed to feed the U grade fad. Sadly, a lot have been in very decent nick. I haven't seen one this time. It may be I've missed it, or he hasn't listed it. Or it may be it was so badly fooked it wasn't even worth listing.

Either way, we all know Robbie doesn't care what we think, so another thread bashing him is just us banging our heads off a wall.

Better move this one also while you're at it then :lol:

http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5373

 

[Dark Sith Lord]

Lock up your Staffies boys. :lol:

:lol:

 

[weasel]

Reminds me of Angkor Wat where Buddhist statues have had their noses cut off so one person can make a quick buck at the cost of timeless culture.

I also find calling ugraders names counterproductive. This reminds me of when oppressive religion for example, is defended by atheists as somehow challenging the ethics of religious morality of its members is a taboo.

Collectors will defend serial ugraders being called names as they see call duck a duck- detrimental to the discourse because naught words like '****' is used. Therefore making brutally honest description of ugraders character a taboo.

I find the best way to get around this is to simply just add 'LOL' after '****' allows for the message to be given while striding under taboos radar like a beautiful gizelle.

So excuse me while I get my Rambo knife 'lol', I'm off to defend culture.

Ehhh I have no idea WTF most of that means! Can someone translate INTO English? Lol

I'll just agree with you anyways!

 

[Grant_C]

Yeah.......moving to decafe.....

 

[tiefighterboy]

He has been drinking bong water again.

 

[lee gray]

With something like this, unless as mentioned if the bubble was cracked, then it would have been so much cooler left on the cardback.

 

[tiefighterboy]

With something like this, unless as mentioned if the bubble was cracked, then it would have been so much cooler left on the cardback.

I agree...as I said before...it kind of defeats the purpose of calling it a miscard....without it being on the card.

 

[olisuds]

...but to call this a Mis-card anymore would be a streatch as It lacks the original cardback and bubble...plus the orginal seal. It's just a Yak with the wrong weapon in my opinion.....

I couldn't of put it any better!

 

[Heith]

Correct me If I'm wrong here, but am I right in thinking that people take figures off not great condition cards and send them to get graded? To make more money than probably the carded figure is worth? And people get pissed off that vintage cards are getting destroyed for profit?

 

[Grant_C]

Bingo.

 

[Joe]

Yep.