Full set of Palitoy MOC's Is it possible? your thoughts plea

[snakeeyes]

Hi there I am new to the forum and have been collecting 85 grade plus star wars for around a year now and have a nice collection.
I have the money to do it and I cannot find any of the toys I collect normally, I collect action force international heroes but they are IMPOSSIBLE to find, thus leading me to collect my other favourite childhood toys.
What is the point in collecting something you cannot find, it gets very boring, at least with star wars you can actually get them.
so anyway I recently I thought what is my objective goal from collecting palitoy star wars?
The answer-To get every single figure, on every cardback from star wars to tri logo. Is this possible?
I had no doubt until I spoke to Gary on here who is a member on here, he told me for around 50 figures a cardback has never even been seen let alone a carded figure.
This is understandable as the new figures that went to print would have been mass produced and the older figures on previous cardbacks mixed in with the new figures to sell them off. Hardly any if any would have been produced of certain figures.
Can anybody shed some light and give me advice on my quest before I embark?
I am after any 85 grade plus palitoys so anybody who has any pls email [email protected]. Got loads of Jedi carded stuff so after mainly star wars and empire stuff if poss, but will still look to buy jedi and tri logo.
What are your thoughts on this then, is it possible to get a full set????
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[spoons]

Gary's the man - if he says it can't be done, then it can't be done. Especially if you're only collecting AFA85s

 

[aussiejames]

Hi snakeeyes, it seems you've asked the same thing like 4 times AFA might not be my thing but I still like seeing great collections. So post away.

 

[mr_palitoy]

Have a look at my palitoy cardback guide:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/

There are 501 known variations to date. I am trying to collect them all as cardback. I have 408 to date.
Cardbacks are much more common than MOC. A lot of the ones Gary have are one of a kind. AFA 85's are even rarer than that.
I'd say you'd be hard pushed to get 100 unique AFA 85 MOC's. You can find out exactly how many are out there by looking
at the AFA database.

Hope that gives you an idea of the undertaking!



Jason

 

[weasel]

I'm no expert on Palitoys but if it's AFA 85's only your after..................GOOD LUCK! (You'll need it) 8)

 

[theguiltyone]

Andy, i reckon youd be hitting a brick wall pretty rapid.
Theres an awful lot of competition for ESB 30 back MOCs in displayable condition let alone AFA 85.

Going for the first 20 is possible with patience so maybe start there and then see how deflated you feel



marc

 

[sith-smith]

At the risk of boring everyone....... :lol:

My honest belief is that it can't be done.

I know you state you have the money, but that really won't do you a lot of good as many of the pieces on your list either can't be found, possibly don't exist, won't come up for sale, or will be fiercely fought over.

I know you are a keen action force collector. Would be interested in knowing what some of the rarer pieces go for to see how that compares with some of the rarer ones for Palitoy.

Even if you don't go as detailed as Mr Palitoy does (i.e just concentrate on significantly noticeable differences..so say 45 a, b and c, but not necessarily 41 a, b and c) You'd still be left with a list of figures many of which no one has ever seen even a cardback. Mr P is your man if you want to know what cardbacks have never been seen, that will give you an idea as to the enormity..or impossibility of what you are planning.

For example, take the 20 Star Wars cards. (mixing up 12a and b)

This set is by far the easiest one to complete (sorry guys, I know there a few of you trying to put this set together, but stay with me on this)

There are only 20 cards to get. Each one exists in reasonable numbers (say 20 plus) though of course, we aren't including the Large Head Han in that...but by other standards, even he isn't impossible to get.

Since about 2002 I have helped put together around 8 complete sets, and have contributed to another 5 or 6 nearly complete ones. This includes my own and several collectors on here.

Yet, despite all this putting together a complete set is very hard and expensive. A decent complete set could set you back £15-20k. It can be done for a lot less, but you want 85plus. Throw in the Large Head Han and that number goes up considerably.

Having the money won’t automatically mean you put the set together anytime soon. There is a thread on here about the rarity of the first 20, I’ll see if I can (or if someone else could) dig it up. For many collectors there’s usually only one or two (Usually Luke and Chewie) that they need to complete the set. Every time one comes ups for sale on eBay the competition is often fierce. Many will throw everything they have to get it to complete their collection.

And the reality is they just don’t come up that often, and certainly not often enough to meet the demand.

And that’s just the first 20, the easiest set to complete.

Try the 30a set. There’s only 10. But to my knowledge there is only one complete set of these in the world.


If you wanted we could probably put together some list of pieces that you could get with relative ease, and then we could see how many that would be out of the total you’d need for a full set.

We could even throw around a few prices if that would help.


The palitoys are a lovely set to have and you will end up with a lovely looking collection in mint condition. But I honestly do not believe it will be a ‘complete’ one along the lines you are considering. Though I’d love to be proved wrong.

 

[weasel]

Jesus Gary, you bored at work!? :shock:

 

[sith-smith]

Mate, I'm a teacher.... :roll:


:lol:

 

[Lee Gregory]

Gary is the authority on Palitoy MOC's I'd listen to what he has to say.

However if you do want to get on the palitoy ladder I have an easy to obtain ESB 45 back a 4-Lom for sale.

 

[weasel]

Mate, I'm a teacher.... :roll:


:lol:

:lol: Yeah, fair point! :lol:

 

[sith-smith]

:lol:


Andy, you had any more thoughts about your question?

 

[snakeeyes]

Hi snakeeyes, it seems you've asked the same thing like 4 times AFA might not be my thing but I still like seeing great collections. So post away.

ha ha I know, couldnt seem to find my post so added again just to make sure it went on

 

[snakeeyes]

:lol:


Andy, you had any more thoughts about your question?

Right Gary I have had a lot of very useful info from you and think I have the knowledge I need to persue my goal.
first thing is I now understand the figures on the cardbacks do not mean a thing and that a lot were not released.
I am going for the first 2 12 back and 20 back set first, and then I am just gonna take it from there.
I will buy anything what I can get my hands on really, and just see what happens over the next few years.
What I will do is just keep chipping away and hope to have the finest palitoy collection around in years to come.
your help is great and that cardback guide by Mr Palitoy is a godsend, can work from that now in crossing off what I need.
Anything that comes up be sure to let me know, thanks mate

 

[snakeeyes]

Have a look at my palitoy cardback guide:-

http://www.freewebs.com/mrpalitoy/

There are 501 known variations to date. I am trying to collect them all as cardback. I have 408 to date.
Cardbacks are much more common than MOC. A lot of the ones Gary have are one of a kind. AFA 85's are even rarer than that.
I'd say you'd be hard pushed to get 100 unique AFA 85 MOC's. You can find out exactly how many are out there by looking
at the AFA database.

Hope that gives you an idea of the undertaking!


This is great thanks so much for the link will work from this now to build my collection, many thanks.



Jason

 

[sith-smith]

What I will do is just keep chipping away and hope to have the finest palitoy collection around in years to come.

You maybe talking many many years if that's what you want. Plus you'll have a lot of competition

Going for the first 20 is a good plan.

You will hit a brick wall very early on though. But From what you have told me, you have quite a few of them still to get and many of those a 'relatively' common. So with a bit of luck you could have over half of them by this time next year.

There are threads on 12/20 and 30 backs and there rarity on here somewhere.

I strongly recommend finding those (unless someone can find them for you?) and read through them.

Are you thinking with the first 20 of getting the Han Solo with the small and/or large head versions?

 

[sith jawa]

Gary,

Good information on Palitoys, thank you very much. Though the "American" Kenner line has some challenges (For example SW 21 Backs), the foreign line is challenging for anyone to attempt to put together. No way in hell would I have the patience to put a set together. Cheers to you and anyone that is up for the "Adventure"..

 

[sith-smith]

Ok, it being Christmas...

And me being bored until the family arrive and I can actually open some presents and eat something......

I found some old threads that i'd recommend reading.

If you have any questions on them, I'd suggest posting them in here, rather than bumping up all the old threads.

Cheers and merry Christmas :mrgreen:

How Rare are 30 backs?

Palitoy 30 Backs

Palitoy 20 backs

Palitoy 12 backs

 

[snakeeyes]

What I will do is just keep chipping away and hope to have the finest palitoy collection around in years to come.

You maybe talking many many years if that's what you want. Plus you'll have a lot of competition

Going for the first 20 is a good plan.

You will hit a brick wall very early on though. But From what you have told me, you have quite a few of them still to get and many of those a 'relatively' common. So with a bit of luck you could have over half of them by this time next year.

There are threads on 12/20 and 30 backs and there rarity on here somewhere.

I strongly recommend finding those (unless someone can find them for you?) and read through them.

Are you thinking with the first 20 of getting the Han Solo with the small and/or large head versions?

whatever I can get my hands on mate. Having considered all info now, I think over time I could put a full set together.
At the end of the day, everything has a price, money talks, so when in a year or two when I get most the common figures and are onto the rarer ones, that is when I will start flashing the cash at other collectors to test their resolve, this is how I am going to go about it.

 

[sith-smith]

Interesting approach

1st problem will be finding the pieces in people's collections. You need to know who's got what pieces and that is not easy.

2nd will be offering enough. Money really does not talk for all people!

You didn't answer my question about the han. Many would argue that a complete set should include one. They are very rare and sort after. And it just so happens there's an AFA 85 in existence 8)