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Cobra_UK

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Heres a couple i was working on last night ...

I restored this 3PO to this
2-c3p0_reworked.jpg


and am working on this
2-rf_alpha.jpg


Reworked this
2-stormtrooper_reworked.jpg


And this
2-reworked_jawa.jpg




Tell me what you think please :)
 
Lol ok after some of your views i get the impression i shouldnt be posting what i do here ... which is simply a cheap hobby and nothing more, i am a collector and decided to mess around with recards, there is no intention of mine to pass them off as the real deal, i know people are doing that but that is not me, as i have mentioned they will have a watermark so anything i make cannot be passed on as genuine - except the figure it contains, i am not really interested in making big money from them, the ones i do sell will be pretty obvious and will state so.

Another reason for me doing these - i have loads of loose figures, what nicer way to keep them in good condition than on a card, sure i could go AFA/UKG but thats more expense again, i know i could complete my collection with real cards quite easily, but that to me isnt the hobby i need to pass time, i enjoy what i do and there is no intention to harm the star wars community, i posted these as someone asked to see my work, if you want to check me out on e-bay my name is Cobra_W

I do not need to justify what i do to you guys but i would rather tell you where i stand and its not on the dark side, if i were that way i seriously doubt you would be seeing me on here, having only recently returned to star wars i have been searching for a good site to frequent and chat/browse etc, i am a member on FFURG and now here, this site is very good in being its UK based and very active, nice place guys :)

Hmm thats about it really
 
Cobra_UK said:
Heres a couple i was working on last night ...

I restored this 3PO to this
2-c3p0_reworked.jpg


and am working on this
2-rf_alpha.jpg


Reworked this
2-stormtrooper_reworked.jpg


And this
2-reworked_jawa.jpg




Tell me what you think please :)

Nice work mate, As long as they are just for your own use and not for selling as vintage originals then great work and good luck.

Cheers mate.

Grant.
 
Here's my posts from the other thread so people can understand what CobraUK was replying to -

I know the whole debate regarding recards has been done to death.

Ultimately though people who recard figures aren't collectors of vintage starwars full stop they are simply reproduction creators and to think of yourselves as collectors is wrong. Most people on this site are collectors who invest a lot of time money and energy building their collections including many rare items like Marc's Proof run. Many of us have different budgets but even on a low budget it is possible with a bit of patient to gain a very tidy 100% original MOC collection and many of us have done just that. I personally couldn't gain any enjoyment from a recard because basically your are looking at a cheap fake nothing more.

I know cobraUK you mentioned in another thread you intend to make your items as repro but 99% of recarders don’t and even though they may sell them as repro once it’s in the buyers hands the scams can be set up this is what annoys collectors. You only have to look at the watch out section of Rebelscum to see the extent of the problem and the damage it causes. Especially with items like proofs and cromlins which are seriously rare and expensive (sometimes only 1 or 2 examples exist).

why would a collector want to leak that info in to the reproduction market?

What I never understand is even on a budget as low like £30 - £40 a month it is possible to build a very nice 100% genuine MOC collection. You buy smart i.e. ROTJ line and you wait patiently for bargains appear (which they invariably do).

I totally get customisers and fan art 100% and admire those with the creative skills to design vintage style figures that never were so to speak. What I can’t grasp is why people want to copy exactly what Kenner produced? The genuine articles are there for the savvy collector surely it is way more satisfying to collect rather than been a reproduction creator?

What i will say is many people when they get into the hobby start by recarding or resealing then subsequently realise that they aren't collecting and the move on/up to collecting genuine vintage starwars items.

The last post wasn't to have a go in anyway its more that personally i just can't understand why people could be satisfied with fakes when the real deal is within reach even on a low budget.
 
I guess me and a number of my friends over the years have been scammed by fakes and some of the items could be traced back to sellers who had listed them as described.

Recards and repros really do damage our hobby and you'll find that most genuine collectors have been burned by them at some point.

Ultimately each to there own i guess but recarding is not collecting and the two hobby's shouldn't be confused.
 
I don't have any personal issue with your work cobra :) I am with Jay on the general subject but you seem like you understand the dislike and I don't believe your intention is to deceive anyone :)

Keep posting mate, stick around!
 
"people who recard figures aren't collectors of vintage starwars full stop"

Hmm i disagree with that, i buy vintage figures to mix with my new hobby, my hobby preserves them in a "case" similar to what was once sold in shops, not everything i buy goes onto a card, i can at leisure remove them from the card should i wish sometime to have them graded, also some of the ones im doing werent even on a card - customs - the what would it look like if it had a card.

I perfectly understand your point of view btw, i myself have been ripped off with a recard which made me even more wary of buying carded figures again, i would need to see it in the flesh before i bought one now.

The recarding problem on ebay isnt going to go away, it will definately get worse, ive attacked some of them by pm to say I KNOW your selling a fake and gave them a jpg to compare and to redeem themselves, some ignore me and some get pretty nasty (i have emails if you would like a read sometime).

I dont condone it nor approve of it as being sold as genuine, to me i enjoy the making and the finished look, they do have a place in some peoples collections as a cheaper alternative or simply as a storage case you can enjoy a little more than a loose figure :)
 
Cobra_UK said:
"people who recard figures aren't collectors of vintage starwars full stop"

Hmm i disagree with that, i buy vintage figures to mix with my new hobby, my hobby preserves them in a "case" similar to what was once sold in shops, not everything i buy goes onto a card, i can at leisure remove them from the card should i wish sometime to have them graded, also some of the ones im doing werent even on a card - customs - the what would it look like if it had a card.

I perfectly understand your point of view btw, i myself have been ripped off with a recard which made me even more wary of buying carded figures again, i would need to see it in the flesh before i bought one now.

The recarding problem on ebay isnt going to go away, it will definately get worse, ive attacked some of them by pm to say I KNOW your selling a fake and gave them a jpg to compare and to redeem themselves, some ignore me and some get pretty nasty (i have emails if you would like a read sometime).

I dont condone it nor approve of it as being sold as genuine, to me i enjoy the making and the finished look, they do have a place in some peoples collections as a cheaper alternative or simply as a storage case you can enjoy a little more than a loose figure :)

Fair play and i genuinely welcome your to the boards and as Joe said i hope you stick around.

Ultimately we all have our opinion and i totally respect yours.

Out of pure curiosty do you have any repro weapons with your production figures? I just wanted to gather your thoughts on repro weapons really as when collecting loose figures we all know how much research and study goes into to ensuring your figures are combined with 100% original weapons.
 
I dont have any repro weapons, all mine are original - when i took a break from collecting about 12 yrs ago or so i dont think they existed then, also most of my loose weapons are from house sales when there was a lot still around and you could just put an advert in the paper and get loads of calls (wow i miss those days :p)

I have seen them on a site where you could compare the fake to the real one in some image someone concocted, yes i guess thats another issue with a recard - the weapons or items being genuine, my advice to you is check everything possible, the image i seen the fakes were pretty obvious but it doesnt take them long to make identical things as we know, i have seen a blue snag copy that looked very real and a yak face so be very wary guys, im not trying to scare you, most of you probably have seen more than i have and could advise me better than i could you, all im saying is do your homework and if in doubt - leave it out.

Back to the weapons etc ... i would prefer the genuine article that goes with the figure, if unobtainable then it would have to be a repro, i cant imagine any weapons that are fetching silly prices (or have i been out of it too long LOL)? so i would try first for the real deal, i bought my Mrs an Amanaman C8+ for xmas (her fave figure) but it didnt have a staff, has anyone a rough price guide for a real one and a fake one?

Rob
 
Theres one here
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-Star-Wars-Amanaman-Staff-100-Vintage-C9-5_W0QQitemZ150325736353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item150325736353&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
£30 is steep for an original staff (without postage) but then Amanaman is one of those figures thats just not worth picking up incomplete as his accessory can end up costing you the nearly the same price as a the figure with the original staff anyway.

There is a complete amanaman graded by UKGraders at 85 for £60 or best offer on ebay at the mo from a trusted seller.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-STAR-WARS-LAST-17-AMANAMAN-UKG-85-NOT-AFA_W0QQitemZ150320347590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item150320347590&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

If you decide to get a repro staff then there is one ending soon but its up to £13 inc postage already so you dont save that much in the end.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAR-WARS-REPRO-PARTS-AMANAMAN-YODA-UGNAUGHT-PRUNE_W0QQitemZ120372265789QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item120372265789&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
Not getting much love from the guys at rebelscum are you :mrgreen:
 
I was just reading that thread, be careful over there.

They are not as laid back as on here :wink:
 
Its was a bit nuts to post that over there especially after the Nick Macarty incident.

It also going to piss people off if you are asking for scans of one of the few cardbacks images that people have managed to protected from the recard world and ebay scammers.

If you read this thread Rob it may help you understand there responses

http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=5&Board=vintageebay&Number=3587058&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
 
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