9HolyGrails Blog

[PGowdy]

Many of you have probably read this before but i came across it for the first time today trying to research Tri-logo General Madine. I learnt nothing about Tri-logo Madines but it made for fascinating reading non the less.

http://9holygrails.blogspot.com/

(there are lots of pages of stuff, not sure why it's called "9" holy grails)


Just as a side note- does anyone on here happen to own a tri-logo Madine? Just how rare are they?

 

[aussiejames]

That is Thorsten's site (Lafos) a member here. I believe he discuss's why it's called 9 holy grails (refering to the line up of Rocket Fetts in one picture). I only know one person with a Tri- Madine. I think Jeffs museum has a substantial 'cheque book' & is still searching for one- so yeah pretty rare.

 

[mr_palitoy]

I have a tri madine cardback, and that was pretty hard to get hold of!

Jason

 

[PGowdy]

Oh yeah i've seen that name (lafos).
Very cool blog. I only read 3 pages but gonna have another browse later.

So you reckon i might be waiting a while before i get a Tri-Madine then??... :lol:
The pic on the blog was cool but there was naff all info about it.

 

[PGowdy]

I have a tri madine cardback, and that was pretty hard to get hold of!

Jason

Yeah, i hear even the card-backs are rare as **** and very sought after.
They alone probably sell for a couple of hundred, no?

 

[mr_palitoy]

I have a tri madine cardback, and that was pretty hard to get hold of!

Jason

Yeah, i hear even the card-backs are rare as **** and very sought after.
They alone probably sell for a couple of hundred, no?

I bought a reseal 4 years ago for £110. Maybe worth more these days? I think there's more tri logo collectors these days.

Jason

 

[PGowdy]

I see, cheers Jase.

 

[ODB]

If memory serves me right one changed hands for £7k from what I have been told, though that was second hand info, but I've heard the same story several times from different people.

 

[PGowdy]

Wow. I read on old RS thread saying someone picked one up for 2500.
I'll try find the link.

 

[PGowdy]

It wasn't RS. It was this -
http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=3546.0

 

[Imperial nut]

:shock:
What £7000 for a figure which on other cardbacks is worth £30 bucks,,,, the sense of worth and rarity is warped when it comes to logos and cardbacks???? even kenner, palitoy,lili-ledy etc, would have thought nothing of the percieved variation/combinations they were creating.


Fair enough if there only was one figure made or the paint or sculpt is different but an extre £6970 for 2 extra logos, hmmmmmmmm come on thats a little funky?? :?

Does anyone else find it a stretch to ever considering paying that much for a variation.

The best one is the Stickered AT-AT (which i think will become my sub focus) it is a normal At-At in an ESB box,,, and the vehicle inside is no different,,,,and the box,,,,, but its got a sticker on it!!!!!!! :lol: come on .
Ok maybe a few extra quid, but surely it doesnt increase it value massively?

Who do we create this extra value for??? ourselves, the collectors???
Or for Joe Public? who, once they buy one thing from us on peebay become collectors like us?? or possibly are we pumping up percieved value or rarity of something thats slightly different to increase the value of our collections value?? i.e. "our investment" :|

I know very few think of our collection as this ,,, but as i am just starting out in this, i find that actual rare things - one of a kind, hard to find in good cond things aside - rarity and variations are skewed and stretched a bit with logo,bubble,number cardback combos?

which drives up the price,, for,,, us??

:shock: phew rant over,, :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[PGowdy]

The value is just based on the rarity not really the combination or logo. There are only a few known examples of a General Madine on a tri-logo card so it is highly sought after by collectors, ie; worth a **** load of money. This goes for any antique or collectable. When very few of something exists, it becomes more vauable. Whether it be an old stamo, a medievil coin, an antique one of a kind painting, or indeed, a vintage action figure.

Value in the collecting community can be drawn from different aspects. Boba Fetts are expensive mainly because they are the "figure" that everyone wants, not because they are rare. Yak Face is worth a lot because it wasn't released in certain countries and therefore gained the reputation of being rare, again not at all rare. Every collector i know owns at least one and if i had a couple of 100 quid i could buy 100 more today just by trawling ebay and the forums.
General Madine on the other hand is worth a lot because it is genuinely rare. It did so badly, sales wise, on the ROTJ card that the manufacturers decided to only make a small amount on the tri-logo back. Thus the rarity now.

That's my take on it anyway.

 

[Imperial nut]

Yeah i get the idea of why there are few,,, but why do we as collectors attach such extra value for the different print on the card back.

For example; if you brought general madine ROTJ and a Madine tri-logo up to a "guy" on the street and asked him considering the ROTJ was worth 30 quid what did reckon the value of the tri-logo was, ?
He'd say "£30 quid cuz its de saym guy innit"

Then you told the tri was rarer, he might change his mind to "oh well that changes everything,,£45 quid"

my point is why do WE the collectors add so much value for such a small difference in packaging?? when really we are the only ones who notice or add any value to it?

if we just said a MOC madine is fine regardless of cardback, you would have your tri-logo by now for £45 quid :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
its the only part of the hobby that does sit right with me!!


like -Zuckuss 47 back (4-Lom offer) MOC -uber rare,!! (only one) .

Would a normal ESB zuckus with any number on the back not do??

 

[Caswellbot]

I think you are missing the point slightly ImperialNut. It really has nothing to do with aesthetics. People do not knowingly attach value to items. Value is derived from supply versus demand.

Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that there are very few Tri Logo Madines out there. If you imagine that there will be a great many people trying to get there hands one one of the Tri Logo Madines because they want it to complete a set or because they want to get there hands on a real rarity. Therefore people are simply willing to pay ALOT more for it.

In essence, the rarity of the item often dictates the price. Also, blogs like the one headed on this thread have a lot to do with driving up price. The more people read about the scarcity or perceived scarcity of an item, the more they are generally willing to pay.

Personally I dont and never wil have £7000 to spend on an item.

Chris.

 

[Imperial nut]

Yeah i get the supply and demand thing, but its just the percieved value of minor differences, and they are massively more expensive.

And its the people who buy em who add the value, but your right the sites do help to dictate whats "desirable"

But its all very incestous, it's collectors paying collectors for items that only other collectors think are worth the money???
Yes they are rarer hence more valuable/desireable, but really its too much we could all decide that its only worth £50.

Ah well each to their own , i will stick to my loose imperials and trying to get my AT-AT's to breed. :lol: steve

 

[PGowdy]

I do agree with you at times that a slight difference in variation can command more money for not much reason. I have bought (accidentally) Stormies with different coo's on them, China, Hong Kong, Raised bar, no coo and so on. I couldn't give a toss, i just shove em all in together. But that's just cos i'm not a variant nut. They're all just Stormtroopers to me.
That being said, i reiterate, the Madine Tri-logo is a very different kettle of fish and like Chris said, not based on aesthetics or slight differences in mould or a card print/text variant.

 

[Imperial nut]

i suppose the thrill is in the hunt

 

[PGowdy]

Indeed, the find is a lot more fun that the actual owning most of the time. :wink:

 

[weasel]

That is Thorsten's site (Lafos) a member here.

Beat me to it. Great site it is too. I hadn't been on in a while. Nice to see all the rare items that otherwise you wouldn't necessarily hear about.

I bought a reseal 4 years ago for £110. Maybe worth more these days? I think there's more tri logo collectors these days.

Was that really four years ago Jason!? :shock:

 

[Bill McBride]

Indeed, the find is a lot more fun that the actual owning most of the time. :wink:

I agree. I think that is what really the hallmark of the true collecting ideology. If you aren't excited, or passionate
enough to have the drive to put the time in to hunt things down, then ultimately you lean more into the "hoarding"
category. That's what is keeps me going really, the thrill of hunting down and looking for those pieces that I "have
to have". I think when the day comes that I don't feel that thrill anymore, then it's time to ring the bell.

I really like Lafos' site (9 Holy Grails - He took the name from the RF header at the top. One collector was able to
put together a complete run of all the known RF prototypes, hence the "9"). He really features some great pieces
on there, and I think the spectrum he covers is really impressive. He only shows the more rare items, but it is a
massive cross section of the hobby; pretty much every country, brand, type, etc you can think of is there.

Bill