2014 Fifa World Cup Thread
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Cc4rhu said:
I can understand that though. When I was younger I played amateur football to quite a high level and there was a bloke who use to play for a rival team who only had one eye. Was a terrific player but an arse on the pitch, use to scrape his studs down your legs and pull your pubes when marking him. Can remember a match where I was marking him at every set piece and he was digging and digging me so whilst marking him at a corner I can remember having enough and sticking my thumb into his good eye, pushed it in really hard under his eye lid, I'm not that kind of person normally but when someone's at you all the time sometimes you retaliate, we don't know the full extent of what was going on regarding Zidane and why he suddenly boiled over. I got an eight game suspension for that, more than Terry got for racism, disgusting.
mumbo said:
It was Marco Materazzi.
Boba Skinner said:
In WC's, I give you Zidane's head butt. It was in the final no less. God only knows how many billions of people were watching that and how many little kids thought if it's ok for him to do it..........
Edd, I see your point, but I disagree. I don't think biting is quite as bad as kicking or punching. Not saying it is good or excusable in any way shape or form. Or that any of the three have any place on a football pitch. Just that no one ever had their football career ended by a bite. Alf Inge Haaland had his ended by a premeditated assault from Roy Keane. Granted Keane may not have intended to end Haaland's career, but he has admitted he meant to "do him". Punches/ebows are similar, ok no football that I know of has had his career ended by a punch (Gary Mabbutt had to wear his silly mask), but there was the incident of the autistic man killed in the street by a single punch after he shouted at a cyclist for riding on the foot path and nearly cleaning him.
None of it is 'good' and none has any place on a football pitch. The point I am trying to make is that biting a fellow footballer doesn't put their livelihood at risk, where as flying in two footed at knee height, or tackling them from behind ( :wink: ) does. The worst that Chielini is going to have is a strange mark and some bruising for a few days. A broken leg can end a guys career. I know these are over-paid pampered stars, but even in Sunday League level, guys can be in serious **** if they can't work after getting their leg snapped.
I guess we're coming at it from different angles. You look at it from the 'animal' side, and while I don't disagree with that assessment, I'd look at it from the point of view that players do a hell of a lot worse to each other and get less punishment.
That's without even mentioning the racist thing. If someone had used the "N" word against another footballer would that be worse? That's language we hear almost every day, whether it be in a racist context or used by one black man to another black man as a term of address. Honest question. Again, I'm not defending Suarez, what he did was stupid and he deserves the ban he gets and the abuse he will receive. I just think some people are getting a bit carried away. It was very bad, and has no place on a football pitch, but is it really worse than a head butt, Cantona's Kung-Fu kick, Keane's assault on Haland, Pepe swinging a boot at a guys head while he lies on the ground?
PS, Emiel is right, it was Materatzzi
I'm not suggesting any of these incidents are nicer/cleaner/better or more acceptable than any other, but playing devils advocate for a moment, I can see why one offence may seem more deplorable than another to your average fan:
The ZZ headbutt has been well documented by both sides (and an apology was issued eventually by Materatzzi to confirm this) as a provoked attack based on something or other to do with ZZ's sister/mother, so still not excusable, but you can see a reason for rage to overtake sensibility.
Similar can be said for the Cantona kick; I'd also note that having been a season ticket holder at a premier league ground for more than a decade (WHL 1998 - 2012), I can understand why players may want to attack oppo supporters... some of the verbal/mental abuse thrown at them is stuff you never forget having heard even when its not aimed at you or your family, this is still the case even in the more sterile world of modern football of today, let alone mid 1990s or earlier!
Suarez however bit someone to cheat his way to an advantage... nothing more nothing less, just an unprovoked act of cheating.
It's clearly not leaving a career ending epitaph of the Roy Keene variety, its probably not really anything to do with how much damage caused even, but it was (as far as can be proven at this stage) unprovoked and purely based on a character trait that finds cheating acceptable at any cost. Something most decent folk will find difficult to rationalize.
The ZZ headbutt has been well documented by both sides (and an apology was issued eventually by Materatzzi to confirm this) as a provoked attack based on something or other to do with ZZ's sister/mother, so still not excusable, but you can see a reason for rage to overtake sensibility.
Similar can be said for the Cantona kick; I'd also note that having been a season ticket holder at a premier league ground for more than a decade (WHL 1998 - 2012), I can understand why players may want to attack oppo supporters... some of the verbal/mental abuse thrown at them is stuff you never forget having heard even when its not aimed at you or your family, this is still the case even in the more sterile world of modern football of today, let alone mid 1990s or earlier!
Suarez however bit someone to cheat his way to an advantage... nothing more nothing less, just an unprovoked act of cheating.
It's clearly not leaving a career ending epitaph of the Roy Keene variety, its probably not really anything to do with how much damage caused even, but it was (as far as can be proven at this stage) unprovoked and purely based on a character trait that finds cheating acceptable at any cost. Something most decent folk will find difficult to rationalize.
edd_jedi said:
In my opinion, yes. Taking the angry/Suarez hating hat off just for a sec and trying to look at it objectively; it was an unacceptable incident by a player with previous so a ban was a must. The ban is not just any old 9 games, it's the rest of his world cup which means everything to him and it is also puts his countries chances of going any further in the competition in massive jeopardy. He has to live with that too and will probably not be popular with his team-mates, countrymen and Uruguay's football association.
Now, i'm assuming that these 9 games must be competitive so not only will he miss the rest of world cup and cost his team, who really could have gone any distance with him in it, but will also miss, again, the first 7 or 8 games of the new season.
You can get away with a 3 game ban for elbowing someone in the face (on purpose) or intuitionally trying to break someone's leg, so 9 games is about right for me.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with Pete - for however bad this was (just the sheer stupidity of the guy as well) it certainly isn't the worst thing to ever happen on a football pitch in terms of consequence
Feel sorry for his team & the Uraguay fans as well - it may galvanise them but think it is more than likely going to have a negative effect on their next game
Feel sorry for his team & the Uraguay fans as well - it may galvanise them but think it is more than likely going to have a negative effect on their next game
As i said in the other thread i think it's harsh on Liverpool. No doubts Suarez deserved to be punished and banned. It's just unfortunate that his punishment is also a punishment for Liverpool, who in this case actually are an innocent party. Insert your own comment about Pool fans always feeling victimised.
Yes, he has dropped two massive bollocks at Liverpool, and he has been punished for them, and yes they have contributed to his larger ban this time, what i mean is Pool had no control over what he does on International duty. So i feel/was hoping his ban should/would relate solely to international football. Although i fully understand why it covers all football.
In the end i don't think it'll matter, he'll go to Barca or Real this summer now. Pool cant afford to keep him and i suspect a lot of the hierarchy have had enough of him, especially after they ****ed up sticking up for him after the racism thing.
Ps, what odds on him or the Uruguayan FA appealing and getting it reduced slightly. By the time FIFA get round to hearing his appeal it will be August or September, the furore will have died down. His legal team will argue Zidane for less for a headbutt in a WC final etc and the ban will be reduced slightly, say 3 months.
Yes, he has dropped two massive bollocks at Liverpool, and he has been punished for them, and yes they have contributed to his larger ban this time, what i mean is Pool had no control over what he does on International duty. So i feel/was hoping his ban should/would relate solely to international football. Although i fully understand why it covers all football.
In the end i don't think it'll matter, he'll go to Barca or Real this summer now. Pool cant afford to keep him and i suspect a lot of the hierarchy have had enough of him, especially after they ****ed up sticking up for him after the racism thing.
Ps, what odds on him or the Uruguayan FA appealing and getting it reduced slightly. By the time FIFA get round to hearing his appeal it will be August or September, the furore will have died down. His legal team will argue Zidane for less for a headbutt in a WC final etc and the ban will be reduced slightly, say 3 months.
Appeal lodged. That took Two hours! :roll:
Oh and savory100 (sorry mate, dont know your first name) touche! Cant argue with any of what you've said.
On a personal note i actually gained respect for Gary Neville when he came out and said he hated Scousers. All those ppl, mainly Pool fans i assume, who were outraged, made me laugh. Every time he goes to Anfield 45,000 ppl sing god knows what about him and they are surprised when he doesn't like them? Just cos u earn stupid money doesn't mean chants like that wont piss you off, or that opposition fans are somehow entitled to call you whatever they want.
Oh and savory100 (sorry mate, dont know your first name) touche! Cant argue with any of what you've said.
On a personal note i actually gained respect for Gary Neville when he came out and said he hated Scousers. All those ppl, mainly Pool fans i assume, who were outraged, made me laugh. Every time he goes to Anfield 45,000 ppl sing god knows what about him and they are surprised when he doesn't like them? Just cos u earn stupid money doesn't mean chants like that wont piss you off, or that opposition fans are somehow entitled to call you whatever they want.
slim
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what a hectic first half , end to end 1-1 so far , come on chile :mrgreen:
Superb game end to end
Shame it had to go to pens. Chile have been outstanding contributors to the tournament nearly nicked it hitting the bar.
Great game, but Brazil have not played particularly well yet, so we will see.
Shame it had to go to pens. Chile have been outstanding contributors to the tournament nearly nicked it hitting the bar.
Great game, but Brazil have not played particularly well yet, so we will see.
Stargeezer
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Wow brazil - Chili ended with shoot outs.... That was exciting till the end
slim
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sad to see chile go out they were superb today
