Voicing our concerns over the "U" grade

Thats a great idea, but they most likely won't listen. That would be money coming out of their pockets they don't want to loose. Personally, they are just as slimy as the ones buying up the MOC's and sending them in for their preciuos "U" grade. Like I said on RS, hell the ones paying that high pfice for those "U" grade would get some sense, but they spent their cash on the AFA crap, they can't afford it anymore.
 
A huge money maker for AFA.

Although I dont really understand the benefit of a U90 figure as opposed to a normal 90 graded one, there are alot of people out there that will pay a ridiculous premium for what is essentially EXACTLY the same figure!!! :roll:
 
If anyone gets a decent response over this I will also email.

I seriously don't think they will do anything about it guys, they will just say they offer a service and have a duty to provide it to paying customers.

Like its been said , AFA may do the deed but it's the morons that pay for it that really hurt the hobby.

The only reasonable way around it is if they implemented guidelines on how damaged the cards have to be before they are accepted, but if you think about it that means they would have to take the time to decide if it meets their criteria first before grading the figure with a U grade.

They won't stop, they won't implement any guidelines and as long as there are people willing to pay for both the service and the figures that come back from AFA then U grades will be a part of this hobby.
 
I thought about that and your right they will just be cutting cards to get around any beater policy IMO.
Sadly then even the cardback collectors are going to miss out :(
 
Ok well I fired off an email over to the AFA on this so will wait to see what happens.
To whom it may concern,

In light of a recent discovery on the rebelscum forums I am writing to you to
show my lack of support for the "U" grading scale that you currently offer for Vintage Star Wars
figures.

It has been made public that some customers of yours are not only sending
in quite respectable pieces to be opened but are now sacrificing already
graded MOC with a high figure subgrade in order to gain a high "U" graded
loose figure.

I personally feel this is quite threatening to the hobby that many collectors enjoy.

I am writing to ask for some kind of reasoning (other than money) as to why
you accept submissions for loose grades on items that are NOT considered
to have MAJOR flaws ( card rips,cracked bubbles, water damage etc)

There are many more people that feel the same way as me and I presume you will
be getting some emails about the same subject from different collectors.

From your population reports we can see that almost 3,000 MOC and bagged figures
have been sent in and "U" graded for coveted high grades. If this were to carry on, before long
you will have helped to completely change the vintage star wars collecting community for the worse.

In offering this service you allow wealthier collectors to buy up and destroy a
considerable amount of figures that would otherwise be bought by new collectors
or people with less money to spend on collectibles, its not fair and it shows you have no respect for
the items you are grading.

Take a moment to focus your attention elsewhere, there are many other services you could offer that
would appeal to collectors who truely want to preserve and display figures graded by the AFA, if I were
to highlight one in particular it would be to better train your graders to be able to spot and identify reproduction
weapons, part of the reason why some collect "U" grades is that people can't count on you 100% of the time to grade
figures correctly that are already loose and instead send in figures straight off the cards.


J.
 
AFA are a company and unfortuently are there to make money out of this hobby, which at the moment they seem to be doing nicely.
How many AFA graded items do you see on ebay or for sale on Various forums including this one.
I believe it such a shame to destroy perfectly good Moc's especially just to get a U graded figure.
But while people are paying good / silly money on U graded figures they will carry on doing this.
 
Talking about water damaged cardbacks, I have two proudly displayed in my collection, both 41bks. Ones a FX7 and the other is a Hoth Rebel Soldier. If I had put them up for sale in my thread on RS, that would've been the first thing to go. They both would've got U85-90 easy, but they look better the way they are, originally sealed on the cardback.

But AFA wont change their policy for nothing. As long as they are getting their $100-150 a pop and spread their name further, they won't care what real collectors like us will have to say. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.
 
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it" 2 guys and a horse are travelling across the desert. After a few days without water they are close to death. They finally make it to a watering hole but the horse won't drink. One guy convinces the other that if he holds the horses head under water and the other one sucks on the horse's arse the horse will have to drink. This actually works for a while until the butt sucker screams "lift the head up I'm sucking mud" :lol: Back on topic I have a handful of hurricane Katrina survivors. They were cheap, they survived 25 years and then got flooded out- they are trash- but I wouldn't dream of killing them. I don't like my chances of finding cheap MOCs again :roll:
 
I didn't know you were a comedian, James. :lol: Yhea I remember that find. Some of those cardbacks actually didn't look so bad. Well, that lot of 5 figures on Ebay that was brought up at the other place, I tried to save them, but its more than I was willing to pay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&item=150356878653

I can't go over what my initial bid was. Guess these bad boys are now destined to Ugrade heaven. :cry: Unless someone buys my Snowspeeder I got up for sale, then, and only then will I have a chance to save them.
 
Chris_J said:
I can't go over what my initial bid was. Guess these bad boys are now destined to Ugrade heaven. :cry: Unless someone buys my Snowspeeder I got up for sale, then, and only then will I have a chance to save them.

:lol: You sneaky bastard.
 
20backdPb said:
AFA are a company and unfortuently are there to make money out of this hobby, which at the moment they seem to be doing nicely.
How many AFA graded items do you see on ebay or for sale on Various forums including this one.
I believe it such a shame to destroy perfectly good Moc's especially just to get a U graded figure.
But while people are paying good / silly money on U graded figures they will carry on doing this.

Spot on. Unfortuanetly while people are prepared to for the stupid U grade AFA will continue to provide the service.
 
Capetown said:
Chris_J said:
I can't go over what my initial bid was. Guess these bad boys are now destined to Ugrade heaven. :cry: Unless someone buys my Snowspeeder I got up for sale, then, and only then will I have a chance to save them.

:lol: You sneaky bastard.


:D What can I say. They dont call where I live the Dirty South for nothing.
 
If you didn't catch it - the reply is in ...(since posting it over on RS a few people have said they received the exact email which I did think might happen)

""Hi Joe,

We certainly appreciate your support and all feedback we receive regarding the services we offer. We consider all comments and try to take the wishes of the collecting community into account. The 'U' grade from AFA has been a part of the service almost since the beginning and is a driving force behind many who collect modern packaged items, as well as being an identifier used to mark those very rare vintage packaged items pulled directly from cases. Both loose figures and coins naturally qualify for this identifier when they are sent in a sealed package. In the beginning, the 'U' was intended for cut cards, cards missing POPs, and figures in bags, but due to the desires of collectors to find mint condition examples which can be guaranteed original with original accessories and no touch-ups, a few individuals submit nicer condition cards to be opened, which is something we never expected.

Our desire is to accurately grade items, gather data on how many exist in the world, and help make the collecting community a safer place to trade sight unseen. While many here certainly do not agree with opening decent-nice condition cards for loose grading, the decision really doesn't rest with us. The decision to do this rests with the owners of the items who can do whatever they wish whether we agree or not. After all, if we refused to grade certain condition carded figures as loose uncirculated, couldn't the owner simply cut the card or damage it further to qualify?

In the end, many here agree with your sentiments as I've noted, but there isn't much we have the power to do. The 'U' designation is a valuable tool for loose collectors looking for a true 100% guarantee of authenticity beyond what can otherwise be offered, even if it is 99%+++ for standard figures which are not out of packaging (because no matter how good graders are trained, new reproduction accessories are made every year and something is bound to get by).


We do again appreciate the comments and they will be passed on, but I would suggest discouraging fellow collectors from choosing to open nice examples, and encourage them to trade down or look for 'beater cards', 'cut cards', or bagged figures which would be better for the collecting community to be opened than the nice condition ones still around today.

In the end, we support collecting in general and the preservation of these important pieces of history, but we can't control the actions of those who own the items. If it makes you feel any better, it is very rare for decent cards which are undamaged to be submitted for this type of grading.

Please let me know if I can help with any other questions or concerns. I am always available if needed and we certainly appreciate your support. I also prefer nice condition packaged items graded in the package and only lesser/damaged ones opened, but that is my opinion, and some collectors must feel differently"
 
They are like any other business out there, its all about the money. If any normal business feels like refusing a customer their services, its up to the owner of the establishment, not the customer. That email just proved that all they are worried about is the cash flow going in, not the item or the value of it. They say they don't see many decent carded items coming in to be graded U, you should send them the photo thats in the thread on RS and ask "Oh, really?"
 
I will send that email Joe, (just a bit busy today) although I believe LordGanja has already done so.

If I word it in a fashion that sets out how a common 'U' classification would still tick all their boxes - as they set out in their own response to you, hopefully they would (might) be prompted to give some thought to a different reply. At least it might make them think of an updated response (admin mail handling guy forwarding the email onto someone within AFA with a bit more influence, as admin guy knows the standard reply just wouldn't cover it). Otherwise it would be abundantly clear that they don't give a **** whatsoever.
 
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