Question Time

[TwistedMetal]

Ok guys since joining the forum i have learnt much about SW goodies however there are still things i want too know, so if somebody could kindly shed some light on a few things i would be greatful.

Firstly baggies, im sure Frank can help me out here, ok as a kid i remember the carded figures, however i don`t recall such things as baggies for sale in shops, so why are figures in baggies in the first place? where they going too be sold like that? i honestly don`t have a clue.

Ok Tri-logos is there a high value in certain tri-logo cards since seeing them sold on the forum you seem too get alot for your money in value as with ROTJ cards, also were the tri-logos released after ROTJ cards?

Blue snagg, why was the blue snagg never released on a card? im guessing that because you never see one.

Palitoy cards, why do 12 back Palitoy cards fetch so much more money than the 12 back Kenner cards?

Original weapons, when on ebay people list figures with original weapons, however in terms of miscards, i.e i had a Bossk with a Snowtrooper rifle in the bubble, now say if that figure had of been sold loose on ebay and i listed it with original weapon im sure many people would say it was the wrong weapon, however if it came out of the bubble with that weapon would it not be its original?

In terms of carded figures can you plz give your imput of the top 5 most expensive cards in each set ie SW, ESB, ROTJ, POTF, Tri-Logo, Pailitoy 12 backs, and ESB cardbacks and also baggies.

I would be very greatful for the imput, i am very green in all the areas above and would like too understand more.

P.s no taking the piss

 

[Lee77]

I was thinking the same thing about the baggies earlier today mate. They came in mailer packs and some packaged with ships but I can't for the life of me think why there are so many! I'm sure Frank will chime in.
Tri logos came after the Jedi cards. I think it was something to do with making one card for all of Europe rather than all the different ones like Pbp, meccano etc. I'm probably wrong but joes tri logo site has a lot of great info on it.
Blue snag only came in early sears cantina sets and early mailers. It's not on a card as Kenner realised they'd cocked the figure up in time for its release on a card.
Palitoy cards are expensive cos they rock! And as the uk is a lot smaller than the USA, there were a lot less produced, so they're rarer, which normally means more expensive.
Not sure about the miscarded weapons though matey.
Hope that's some help mate. I'm still pretty new to all this though so I'm sure others will chip in if I'm wrong. 8)

 

[TwistedMetal]

What do you mean about them cocking the Blue Snagg up mate?

Ah so im guessing the Palitoy cards were made in the UK? (havent got a clue tbh) lol but that looks like what you are saying.

And ok missed a question, you say about Mailers Lee, can you explain about mailers i.e what is a mailer, and why are they called mailers, havent got a clue so just asking

 

[PGowdy]

Firstly baggies, im sure Frank can help me out here, ok as a kid i remember the carded figures, however i don`t recall such things as baggies for sale in shops, so why are figures in baggies in the first place? where they going too be sold like that? i honestly don`t have a clue.

Baggies were never sold in shops. They were put in those baggies at the factories often to be sent out as prizes, mail orders, dealer samples etc etc. For example the mail boxes that you see with The Emperor or Nien Nunb in were sent out to kids who collected enough name plates and sent off for one. I got my Nien Nunb that way when i was a kid. I was actually disappointed it didn't come in a carded. I used to love the cards even as a kid.
I'm not exactly sure why so many figures are in baggies. Maybe the factories stored them this way during production. Not sure maybe Frank could help with more into on that.

Ok Tri-logos is there a high value in certain tri-logo cards since seeing them sold on the forum you seem too get alot for your money in value as with ROTJ cards, also were the tri-logos released after ROTJ cards?

Not sure what the first part of this question means. Trilogos probably have the largest value spectrum (compared with SW, ESB, ROTJ, POTF). Anything from £15 up to £5000 (Madine). You could argue that that is the highest value general release moc. The next maybe being a POTF Anakin or Nikto or something (not that up on my POTF but i think those 2 are the rarest).
2nd part, yes, trilogos were released after ROTJ.

Blue snagg, why was the blue snagg never released on a card? im guessing that because you never see one.


Blue Snag was never released on a card or outside the US (maybe Canada i don't know). It was originally released as part of the Sears "Star Wars Cantina Adventure Set". None of the figures were carded. All in baggies. This was pre any Star Wars figure release. When it came to releasing Snaggletooth on a card Kenner corrected it's original error of making Snag tall and blue opting for a more movie accurate short and red version.

Palitoy cards, why do 12 back Palitoy cards fetch so much more money than the 12 back Kenner cards?

Palitoy is rarer than Kenner. Released in much shorter numbers so it is more collectable and more valuable for the same reasons that Lili Ledy, Toltoys, Meccanno are.

Original weapons, when on ebay people list figures with original weapons, however in terms of miscards, i.e i had a Bossk with a Snowtrooper rifle in the bubble, now say if that figure had of been sold loose on ebay and i listed it with original weapon im sure many people would say it was the wrong weapon, however if it came out of the bubble with that weapon would it not be its original?

This would be a hard sell. Unless it was a well known error and you had the card to prove it all came together.

In terms of carded figures can you plz give your imput of the top 5 most expensive cards in each set ie SW, ESB, ROTJ, POTF, Tri-Logo, Pailitoy 12 backs, and ESB cardbacks and also baggies.

This is a near impossible question to answer if you're including all international releases and variations. You'd have to include certain combinations that people arn't even sure exist. Lili Ledy and Herbert would take up a lot of the list. Originally sealed examples of those.

 

[TwistedMetal]

Thats great Pete and thanks, for that i understand things alot better, the thing about the tri-logos was, the cards don`t seem too sell for as much as the others, but i wondered if certain tri-logos carried alot of value.

Thanks.

 

[Frunkstar]

Right I will do what I can to answer some of these for you Scott

Baggies -

Were released in the states via several stores such as J.c Penny/sears/alders etc & were available in multi-pack sets which could be bought via mail order from the home buy catalogues, also many vehicles & play sets had them included under the Special Offer scheme toward the end of the toy line most were released in canada, basically they would add a sticker on the the the box stating Special Offer (x amount of free figures included) this was a way to encourage further sales when the toy line was dwindling.

Baggies were generally speaking not available in the UK hence you not remembering them, they did crop up in mail away offers like the card front offers (free Emperor with 6 proofs of purchase etc), there was also a woolworths exclusive SO X-wing that included 2 baggies the same as the Canadian/US counterparts, but figures were often sent to factories like Palitoy/Meccano etc in large volume boxes, some with loose figures some with baggies which were intended to be opened to be placed on card fronts, but a lot seem to have made there way out of the production plants in employees back pockets & some have survived.

Not all figures were available on the Tri logo cards & they did indeed come out post ROTJ cards, some are just super rare as some were "presumably" produced in small numbers hence the high price tags (madeen/Jawa/Fett etc), they also seem to have become very sought after over the past few years, 5 years back most were 10 a penny in comparison to say SW cared - I am sure Joe will be along soon to answer this more fully as he is our TL expert.

Blue snagg was only released in a sears exclusive play set canteena in the US, similar to why Yak is so rare in the states - just not available in that county & him being a play set exclusive came in a baggie with the set & never made it to card backs

As for Palitoy 12/20/21,30 etc backs, its just a case of rarity & desirability, Kenner cards were released in huge numbers as America is a vast country compared to the UK, hence its a numbers game, not as many released so not as many are available now, like Tri logos, Palitoys have become the flavour of the month & have become increasingly desirable ove the past few years, look at some of the countrys were they were released in even smaller numbers of specific cards like Meccano/herbert/tot toys top toys etc - they all command a premium & some a lot more than palitoys, simple as that, some were available from Peru under another brand name & they if you can find any would cost you the earth..

Weapons - original usually meaning the actual weapon the figure came with as a general release, weapons errors are just that errors & once its off the card (assuming its not graded) is just seen as the wrong weapon, some cards did come with alternative weapons, han hoth springs to mind, the spanish cardback I think??? it is was only available with a stormtrooper blaster, but you try telling someone who is not a SW nut that your loose figure has the right weapon when its not a know thing to the masses.

As for the last question, I will leave that for someone who knows more than I.

EDIT - I type to slowly, beaten to it several times :lol:

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

yeah kenner only had a head shot of snag so totally guesed the size and colour, lucas quickly got wind of this and requested the more accurate sculpt

i remember getting boba and dengar as mail away baggies!

 

[PGowdy]

Thats great Pete and thanks, for that i understand things alot better, the thing about the tri-logos was, the cards don`t seem too sell for as much as the others, but i wondered if certain tri-logos carried alot of value.

Thanks.

Trilogos sell as high as any other really but it often comes down to condition. It's a lot harder to find a trilogo in good condition. People will always pay premium for a mint trilogo. You just don't see them that often. I've been after a mint Admiral Ackbar for 2 years. If one comes up i'd be happy to part with a hundred quid for it.
Nien Nunb consistantly sells for over 150. Logray goes for around 70 these days. I'd say, generally speaking trilogos go for more than their ROTJ counterpart. ESB ditto and SW i'd say it can depend. A DSD trilogo will go for more. Luke and Leia ditto. Fet ditto. Ben and Vader possibly not.
Basically name any figure and i'd say 8 times out of 10 it'll sell for more on trilogo than it's original back.

 

[TwistedMetal]

Thanks for the intel guys, i find it all very interesting, thats great Frank tbh mate i was totally stumped understanding baggies, and thats maybe the reason i have been told the emperor baggie doesn`t sell for that much because he is common? Had no idea about the blue Snagg Pete the mistake been him too tall, and blue, and then opting for a smaller version.

And Neil do you still have them baggies or did you open them

 

[TwistedMetal]

Also Frank i noticed you have green snake Yoda`s never new there was such a thing, why did they release a green snake version?

 

[Frunkstar]

Some will say the green snake is due to discolouration/degradation of the plastic there are many threads about this if you do some reading on the matter, But I pretty clearly remember getting a Yoda back in day off a card which had a green snake, there are also 2 version IMO that have the green snake - one officially released & one degraded plastics & they are not the same colour.

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

Afraid not Scott ive not got my original boba but i do have my dengar. the boxes and baggies were ripped open and thrown away.

There are two schools of thought

a green snake variant or

may be a discoloured brown snake bit like the green limbed chewie

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

frank beat me there and im so slow and rubbish at typing

 

[Frunkstar]

frank beat me there and im so slow and rubbish at typing

Your not the only one, when I started typing my first reply on here there were no replies & look how far down it is :lol: I am still a 2 finger typing guru :lol:

 

[Stormtrooper37]

I would say providing a trilogo has an almost perfect bubble it will always sell for loads more than any ROTJ cardback of the same figure. This is because they are harder to find mint and less of them about in general. Some of the harder to find trilogo's even if the bubble is dented and squashed will generally sell for more than a minty ROTJ counterpart. So overall I would say trilogo's sell for more than ROTJ cardbacks.

Palitoy's especially the cardbacks up to a 45A with the logo on the front always sell for significantly more than kenner ones because they are rarer and look so cool 8)

Top 5 Palitoys in price IMO EDIT Forgot Boba Fett would put him at no 2 ahead of Luke for Palitoys!!
Chewie
Luke Farmboy
Han Solo
Leia
Ben

Top 5 Trilogo's in price IMO
Madine
Jawa
Fett
Luke Hoth
ERG

Top 5 Harberts (Italy) in Price IMO
Fett
Han
Yoda
Luke
Leia

Top 5 Meccanos (France) in Price IMO
Fett
Luke
Han
R5-D4
Luke X Wing

Have no idea on price for SW, ESB or ROTJ - although I think Fett and Leia original are the pricey ROTJ cardbacks

Paul

 

[CRAZYHAZY]

:lol: :lol:
ive been working on computer keyboards for 22 yrs and im still crap
The slowest two fingers in the west!

 

[TwistedMetal]

Hey Paul thanks for that, there is an RG Tri-logo on ebay that seems too be starting too do ok, i had no idea that Madine of all figures would be in number 1 spot, i sold a ROTJ one on ebay in excellent condition bubble yellowed and it ony fetched £10 only good thing about it was Jez won it

So a ROTJ figure such as Madine who often doesn`t pull much, yet is the big seller on Tri-logo now thats interesting.

And Neil i fully understand why you opened him mate, but i bet you wish you hadn`t now

 

[Stormtrooper37]

Yeah Madine is the Holy Grail of trilogo's, he will sell for big big bucks, way ahead of Jawa and Fett, purely because few examples exist and most collectors just need him to complete their collection.

 

[theslider]

The tri-logo thing is probably the most interesting, especially for UK fans coupled with the advent of U grading. I mean to a casual collector they'd think Madine or a SW/ESB character on a battered Tri-logo card would be near worthless, so it gets opened or sent for U-grading. Hence ramps up the values for collectors.

The annoying thing for me is I want to have Palitoy figures as they were the ones I bought and played with as a kid, but the big shot completist collectors on the other side of the pond who want to be completist puts things out of the average collectors reach, cf the 12bk Palitoy Chewbacca on eBay.

 

[TwistedMetal]

wow see what you mean mate that RG on the tri-logo has just shot upto a £101.00 with a day and 3 hours too go!