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<blockquote data-quote="Snaketibe" data-source="post: 553136" data-attributes="member: 7379"><p>On-line abuse in any form is never acceptable, whether by racist c*nts or by Pablo Hidalgo. Hiding behind keyboards or mega corporations bestows idiots and *ssholes with a false sense of security and invulnerability. Of course there will have been despicable racist abuse aimed at Moses Ingram. The world has both good, bad and ugly people in it, and sadly all too often the ugly ones grab the headlines. Is that abuse widespread, or are those ugly individuals anything more than a thankfully tiny minority of the total global population of Star Wars fans? I sincerely doubt it. Are they representative of the vast majority of Star Wars fans? Absolutely not! They don't represent me or (I sincerely hope and believe) the vast majority of people on this forum, or fans anywhere else. Look at how many people are coming out and condemning the abuse. That is far more representative of your average Star Wars fan in my opinion. Just as a few utterly unacceptable *ssholic football hooligans do not represent the vast majority of football fans (whose good name gets dragged through the mud by those few rotten apples every time there's a new incident of hooliganism), the few racist Star Wars 'fans' (who shout very loudly and are given far too much publicity as a consequence) do not represent the vast majority of us.</p><p></p><p>Taking NOTHING away from the above, it is only fair to point out how many times and often Disney / Lucasfilm have engaged in fan bashing and abuse of their own, criticising us for having the temerity to not absolutely love every single thing that they've done, no matter how non-canonical, non-sensical or deliberately, calculatedly and cynically fan-displeasing those things might be (murdering Han Solo and assassinating first the character of Luke Skywalker before actually assassinating him, anyone?). Blaming us for their mistakes and deliberately and cynically, muddying the waters, conflating and deflecting their failures by pouncing on the (again thankfully) relatively few examples of hideous actual abuse perpetrated by the tiny minority of idiots mentioned above, and then using it as a blanket cover to brand any and all valid criticism of their products as racist abuse! It's outrageous!</p><p></p><p>It is perfectly acceptable to dislike the characters of Rose Tico or Reva for any number of valid reasons. It is not acceptable to dislike or abuse Kelly Marie Tran or Moses Ingram for playing those characters. However, Disney have a long and unpleasant track record of not only tarring all fans with the same brush in an attempt to silence valid criticism of their products, they also flat out abuse them. The despicable bullying and piss-taking of fans by Pablo Hidalgo when they dared to actually enjoy and get emotional about Luke Skywalker's return at the end of The Mandalorian Season 2 was breathtaking, not only for its utter lack of any sort of justification, but also for its stupidity and just plain cruelty! He should have been fired on the spot for such fan abuse, yet to this day he remains a 'Star Wars Lore Advisor'(!) in the 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' end credits. And he's not alone in behaving this way at Lucasfilm and yet not being punished for it.</p><p></p><p>The door swings both ways. If we are to stand up and condemn abuse against Moses Ingram and others (as we certainly should), then we should be equally vocal in our condemnation of abusers like Pablo Hidalgo. Disney are not blameless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snaketibe, post: 553136, member: 7379"] On-line abuse in any form is never acceptable, whether by racist c*nts or by Pablo Hidalgo. Hiding behind keyboards or mega corporations bestows idiots and *ssholes with a false sense of security and invulnerability. Of course there will have been despicable racist abuse aimed at Moses Ingram. The world has both good, bad and ugly people in it, and sadly all too often the ugly ones grab the headlines. Is that abuse widespread, or are those ugly individuals anything more than a thankfully tiny minority of the total global population of Star Wars fans? I sincerely doubt it. Are they representative of the vast majority of Star Wars fans? Absolutely not! They don't represent me or (I sincerely hope and believe) the vast majority of people on this forum, or fans anywhere else. Look at how many people are coming out and condemning the abuse. That is far more representative of your average Star Wars fan in my opinion. Just as a few utterly unacceptable *ssholic football hooligans do not represent the vast majority of football fans (whose good name gets dragged through the mud by those few rotten apples every time there's a new incident of hooliganism), the few racist Star Wars 'fans' (who shout very loudly and are given far too much publicity as a consequence) do not represent the vast majority of us. Taking NOTHING away from the above, it is only fair to point out how many times and often Disney / Lucasfilm have engaged in fan bashing and abuse of their own, criticising us for having the temerity to not absolutely love every single thing that they've done, no matter how non-canonical, non-sensical or deliberately, calculatedly and cynically fan-displeasing those things might be (murdering Han Solo and assassinating first the character of Luke Skywalker before actually assassinating him, anyone?). Blaming us for their mistakes and deliberately and cynically, muddying the waters, conflating and deflecting their failures by pouncing on the (again thankfully) relatively few examples of hideous actual abuse perpetrated by the tiny minority of idiots mentioned above, and then using it as a blanket cover to brand any and all valid criticism of their products as racist abuse! It's outrageous! It is perfectly acceptable to dislike the characters of Rose Tico or Reva for any number of valid reasons. It is not acceptable to dislike or abuse Kelly Marie Tran or Moses Ingram for playing those characters. However, Disney have a long and unpleasant track record of not only tarring all fans with the same brush in an attempt to silence valid criticism of their products, they also flat out abuse them. The despicable bullying and piss-taking of fans by Pablo Hidalgo when they dared to actually enjoy and get emotional about Luke Skywalker's return at the end of The Mandalorian Season 2 was breathtaking, not only for its utter lack of any sort of justification, but also for its stupidity and just plain cruelty! He should have been fired on the spot for such fan abuse, yet to this day he remains a 'Star Wars Lore Advisor'(!) in the 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' end credits. And he's not alone in behaving this way at Lucasfilm and yet not being punished for it. The door swings both ways. If we are to stand up and condemn abuse against Moses Ingram and others (as we certainly should), then we should be equally vocal in our condemnation of abusers like Pablo Hidalgo. Disney are not blameless. [/QUOTE]
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