TwistedMetal
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Hey Andy great new additions mate, and good luck with your sales, i new i should have not sold you that Yak 
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TwistedMetal
Sith Lord
Look firstly im not taking any sides here, and im not after causeing any kind of conflict, but having read over this a number of times, i think its wrong the way Andy has been approached about some of the things he has for sale in his shop, yes Andy may not be somebody who makes hundreds of posts on the forum, but at the same time he is somebody who has spent hundreds of pounds on here buying many items from alot of us, i have bought U grades in the past and i`ve also bought them from members off this forum, and i haven`t seen them get the grief Andy seems too have got, Andy has told me in the past he has never sent something off too get U graded and why on earth would he lie too me about that? i know for a fact he sold a U graded Yak for £475.00 is there any wrong in that? if somebody said too any of you i will give you 10 grand for a carded Yak on the condition you send him too me in the post without the card, because i have no interest in it, what would you do? The other week when i saw Erik had a tri-logo carded Yak for sale and he wanted somebody too buy it who wouldn`t U grade it, thats all good too say that, but in 5 or 6 years from now when that card has changed hands, who says it won`t fall in too the hands of somebody that would U grade it, its easy aswel for us too reply too that and say i would never sell it, but in life circumstances change and sometimes we have too let things go as im sure we all know from time too time.
Anyway my point is this U gradeing happens, if you want too have a go at somebody, complain too AFA or UKG arn`t they the guys that actually open the card? All Andy is doing, is selling a few figures he has bought from others as many of us do, give the guy a break i understand the feelings about U gradeing by some of you guys, but lets not attack somebody who has done nothing wrong.
Peace out.
Anyway my point is this U gradeing happens, if you want too have a go at somebody, complain too AFA or UKG arn`t they the guys that actually open the card? All Andy is doing, is selling a few figures he has bought from others as many of us do, give the guy a break i understand the feelings about U gradeing by some of you guys, but lets not attack somebody who has done nothing wrong.
Peace out.
I'm only commenting on what Scott said, not the seller or his sales in particular.
I've heard the "but it wasn't me" excuse in regards to Ugrading a million times and personally it doesn't wash. (even AFA used that one. In that absurd manifesto that was posted here a year or so ago :lol: )
Personally, I don't buy, sell or trade Ugrades in any way shape or form because i feel it is immoral. Whether it is immoral is up for debate but whether it damages and has damaged this hobby irreparably is not. It doesn't matter who Ugraded it or how you got it in my opinion. It's all supporting the same thing and personally i feel genuine collectors need to fight against it and all those involved in it on any level!
I said a while ago i'd like to see the selling of Ugrading banned from this forum. And i still feel strongly about it. I feel we are better than that and as 99% of members here are against it, we really should be making an active stand rather than belly-aching and bitching about it whist doing the square route of **** all.
I've heard the "but it wasn't me" excuse in regards to Ugrading a million times and personally it doesn't wash. (even AFA used that one. In that absurd manifesto that was posted here a year or so ago :lol: )
Personally, I don't buy, sell or trade Ugrades in any way shape or form because i feel it is immoral. Whether it is immoral is up for debate but whether it damages and has damaged this hobby irreparably is not. It doesn't matter who Ugraded it or how you got it in my opinion. It's all supporting the same thing and personally i feel genuine collectors need to fight against it and all those involved in it on any level!
I said a while ago i'd like to see the selling of Ugrading banned from this forum. And i still feel strongly about it. I feel we are better than that and as 99% of members here are against it, we really should be making an active stand rather than belly-aching and bitching about it whist doing the square route of **** all.
tiefighterboy
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What I do not understand is how someone amasses such a large quantity of "U" grades...yet has never had anything "U" graded. I guess by trades and buying them, but it still does contribute to pile of destroyed carded figures. I guess the road taken here is "Well somebody else is going to do it sometime anyways...so I might as well" and "You cant beat the profits on it". Just my opinion....of course. :wink:
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I am probably one of the biggest traders in figures on here and in the past I have bought lots that have included UGraded figures and have resold them (on Ebay) as they are not something I am either interested in or agree with.
I have sold a large number of figures to the OP and it has always been a pleasure to deal with him - so I understand what Scott is saying.
However, perhaps the best thing to do is what Pete has said and put an all out ban on sales threads - or links to ebay threads that contain Ugraded items - that way we will not have this issue arise on sales/ebay threads
I have sold a large number of figures to the OP and it has always been a pleasure to deal with him - so I understand what Scott is saying.
However, perhaps the best thing to do is what Pete has said and put an all out ban on sales threads - or links to ebay threads that contain Ugraded items - that way we will not have this issue arise on sales/ebay threads
So the argument is: Dont blame the drug dealer selling to kids in the play ground. Blame Colombian drug lords?
I think U graded should be banned from the forum as a protest against the destruction of the hobbie.
I bet alot of U graders will move onto another fad in a few years and there destruction is permenant.
I think U graded should be banned from the forum as a protest against the destruction of the hobbie.
I bet alot of U graders will move onto another fad in a few years and there destruction is permenant.
tiefighterboy
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This is an issue that not everyone will ever agree on. Investors will invest and collectors will collect. It's like talking to a brick wall for those who find nothing wrong with it and I guess the same for us who cherish the beat up carded figures and non-entombed figures at realistic prices. I will agree that most people selling HIGH volumes of "U" grades will always most likely meet some negativity on this forum. Maybe the volume does not matter..but a guy who has a couple he got in trade vs a guy who has multiples to sell for high prices seems somewhat differing to me.
I acquired the high end U grades from my brother inlaw who is selling his collection because he is moving abroad, not that I should have to justify myself to anyone. Regarding U grades personally I wouldn't get a figure torn off card for it to be graded as a U. I've graded only loose or MOC,s, which is not just me profiting but does help to preserve the condition of the loose figure or MOC. I do have a few customers from eBay who will only buy U graded figures, That doesn't mean I'm going to start ripping up MOC and u graded to order which some people do. As for the comparison to a drug dealer I'm not going to stoop to your level. I see I haven't recieved any pms regarding this issue which I have invited certain people to do. I'm happy to answer any questions on this thread or via pm which probably won't happen due to certain people prefer flexing there keyboard warrior muscles in public for all to see.
I'm happy with the suggestion of banning any links containing U graded items.
I'm happy with the suggestion of banning any links containing U graded items.
Thats fair enough.
I'm all for the banning of Ugrade trading on this forum but ultimately it's up to Ed. At the same time if he choses not to I think we all have to respect his decision and leave it at that, but I'll say this I'll happily design a UGRADE free forum logo to great new members :lol:
TwistedMetal
Sith Lord
I just hope when a decision is decided maulster will have found it within himself too appologize too Andy because let`s be fair here, this forum should be about a group of people whom enjoy collecting and also bringing back there childhood, not about somebody who has clearly being a member here for 3 months and then attacked simply because he try`s too sell something on the forum as many people do, and when i say attacked having read what maulster wrote that`s how it would make me feel if i were in Andy`s shoe`s, and i feel that Andy handled this very well, if it were me i can`t honestly say i would have handled it how Andy did.
Anyway many of you i see as nice guys, and i haven`t being here that long either, and im sure many of you have more of a bonding relationship with eachother then you do with others that haven`t being here that long, but maulster why on earth when Andy made his post couldn`t you be more friendly instead of writeing crap and making Andy feel uncomfortable on a forum he has bought on, sold on and offered and given very good discounts?
P.s too all forum members im not trying too stir or carry on an argument, i know people can have freedom of speech and all the rest, but from member too member it should be kept friendly, if theres a problem it can be adressed in other ways.
Anyway many of you i see as nice guys, and i haven`t being here that long either, and im sure many of you have more of a bonding relationship with eachother then you do with others that haven`t being here that long, but maulster why on earth when Andy made his post couldn`t you be more friendly instead of writeing crap and making Andy feel uncomfortable on a forum he has bought on, sold on and offered and given very good discounts?
P.s too all forum members im not trying too stir or carry on an argument, i know people can have freedom of speech and all the rest, but from member too member it should be kept friendly, if theres a problem it can be adressed in other ways.
tiefighterboy
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The guy has been buying AFA "U" grades on Ebay from various sellers...check the feedback...so as for the brother in-law bit I am lost. Grant owes nothing.
If you are quoting me at least get it right. I said all the high end u grades that are on my ebay shop I acquired from my brother in law. Yes I have bought some cheaper u grades from eBay also from here. Anything else you want to ask? 
tiefighterboy
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Ah..a play on words...I get it. Next time I will read more throughly.
TwistedMetal
Sith Lord
Well like Andy says he got the "high end " stuff from his brother inlaw, so if you think U85`s are high end then that`s new too me, on the other hand the U90 Leia that sold for around £500 and the U90 Yak that sold for £475, and the U90 Snagg at £350 etc etc... i would class them as high end and im sure thats what Andy is trying too get across, however it seems you think a £43 jawa, a £35 Rancor keeper are high end? well forgive me if im wrong but you could be wrong here
So I still feel Grant does need too apologize, doesn`t even have too be on here, because lets face it like i said alot of you guys like yourself have known eachother on here alot longer than many of us, and like you yourself are showing now, jumping too Grant`s defence and looking up Andy`s feedback too see what you can dig up when infact all i feel is that some kind of apology should be made, well i tell you what, i don`t know Andy, never met him, never spoke too him, yes i have bought from him and also sold too him, i`ve been a member here quite sometime longer than him, and i will apologize too him for Grant`s uncalled for outburst.
Sorry Andy, i hope you didn`t take any offence and still feel comfortable too come onto this forum and buy and sell from others who many of us are family guys, who just want too come here have a chat, relax after a hard days work, and talk about stuff which brings back our youthful memories.
Kind regards,
Scott.
So I still feel Grant does need too apologize, doesn`t even have too be on here, because lets face it like i said alot of you guys like yourself have known eachother on here alot longer than many of us, and like you yourself are showing now, jumping too Grant`s defence and looking up Andy`s feedback too see what you can dig up when infact all i feel is that some kind of apology should be made, well i tell you what, i don`t know Andy, never met him, never spoke too him, yes i have bought from him and also sold too him, i`ve been a member here quite sometime longer than him, and i will apologize too him for Grant`s uncalled for outburst.
Sorry Andy, i hope you didn`t take any offence and still feel comfortable too come onto this forum and buy and sell from others who many of us are family guys, who just want too come here have a chat, relax after a hard days work, and talk about stuff which brings back our youthful memories.
Kind regards,
Scott.
TwistedMetal
Sith Lord
Dam i got beat too it Andy after my long speech and also trying too correct my crap spelling
**** Ugrades!
tiefighterboy
Grand Master
Scott I respect your opinion and that is just what this forum is about. I was not standing up for Grant. I was more curious myself as to the truthfulness of the OP. I agree we are on here to enjoy the hobby and share childhood memories and love for the toys we grew up with. I do not remember "u" grades with figures entombed in acrylic on store shelves back in the 70's or 80's so I am at a loss for sharing the love. At any rate, I do not know the OP and really would never buy high end or low end (See I said low end :wink: ) AFA stuff. With that said my opinion is mute on his sales.
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