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I want to make you aware of problems regarding vintage Palitoy and other Euro carded figures many of which have been graded by AFA and UKG.
In December 2013 Antoni Emchowicz aka Toy Toni, a long time Palitoy and German MOC toy dealer, was found to have been assembling MOC from a large stock of unused cardbacks and bubbles bought after the Palitoy factory closed. The matrix below is a categorisation of the affected figure/cardback combinations. This matrix is a guide, as the sales list that listed the number of unused cardbacks he bought was not well categorised and missing for some figures. Information from the AFA population report and cards that have been for sale on toytoni.com have also been factored into making this breakdown more accurate. He has been assembling MOCs for a long time and AFA have graded hundreds of them over the last 20 years. There are also a few unused cardbacks in circulation which AFA currently list as proof cards. The numbers listed are the number of unused cardbacks shown on the sales list, or the total on the AFA population report if the figure was missing from the list.
Figure/Cardback 45B 45C 65A/B/C 65D
Luke Skywalker 885
Chewbacca 66* 143
Darth Vader 29+
Han Solo 47
Death Star Droid 417
Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear) 1126
Bossk (Bounty Hunter) 500*
Luke Skywalker (Bespin Fatigues) 132
Boba Fett 482
Yoda 12
Lobot 467
AT-AT Driver 39
2-1B 301
C-3PO (Removeable Limbs) 1234
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) 105
AT-AT Commander 27
(Twin-Pod) Cloud Car Pilot 8
Imperial TIE Fighter Pilot 264
Princess Leia Organa (Boushh Disguise) 30
Gamorrean Guard 31
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man) 81
Squid Head 60
Lando Calrissian (Skiff Guard Disguise) 86
*Number quoted is a 50/50 split between Palitoy and German cardbacks as large quantities of mint MOCs exist for both and both were for sale on toytoni.com
+Not on the list, but a used cardback with iron marks was purchased directly from Toy Toni, figure quoted is from AFA population report
Total number of affected cards:- 6572
Click on this link to download the matrix as an Excel spreadsheet:- toytonimatrix.xlsx
If you have a very mint card with a pristine bubble on a figure/cardback above, it is highly likely that it originated from Toy Toni. Efforts are being made by the collecting community to better spot these by examining printing flaws on the cards, bubble types, bubble placement, how the seals look and looking for figures with wear and incorrect COO on them. The most up to date information on spotting these can be found on the collecting forums listed below. There are many more figure variations on affected figures than there should be. Boba Fett has at least 3 variations listed by AFA that are likely to be down to Toy Toni. Also, odd bubble cardback combinations on the affected cardbacks are likely to be down to Toy Toni. Boba Fett with a single stem bubble on a 45C cardback for example.
Here is AFA's statement
"AFA has put a freeze on the processing/grading of any card variations in question from the list of figures obtained by ToyToni in the early 1990s.
At some point in the near future, as more information becomes known and we get a programmer to make alterations to the AFA website, AFA plans to add a disclaimer to every serial number associated with questionable European card variations within the free on-line serial number verification database in order to ensure collectors have as much information as possible to help them make educated purchases based on all the information at hand.
Toni is banned from submitting items for grading to AFA!"
Here is the link to the original discussion which is over 150 pages long.
http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11326&start=165
And here is the link to the discussion on Rebel scum
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1104900/
I want to make you aware of problems regarding vintage Palitoy and other Euro carded figures many of which have been graded by AFA and UKG.
In December 2013 Antoni Emchowicz aka Toy Toni, a long time Palitoy and German MOC toy dealer, was found to have been assembling MOC from a large stock of unused cardbacks and bubbles bought after the Palitoy factory closed. The matrix below is a categorisation of the affected figure/cardback combinations. This matrix is a guide, as the sales list that listed the number of unused cardbacks he bought was not well categorised and missing for some figures. Information from the AFA population report and cards that have been for sale on toytoni.com have also been factored into making this breakdown more accurate. He has been assembling MOCs for a long time and AFA have graded hundreds of them over the last 20 years. There are also a few unused cardbacks in circulation which AFA currently list as proof cards. The numbers listed are the number of unused cardbacks shown on the sales list, or the total on the AFA population report if the figure was missing from the list.
Figure/Cardback 45B 45C 65A/B/C 65D
Luke Skywalker 885
Chewbacca 66* 143
Darth Vader 29+
Han Solo 47
Death Star Droid 417
Imperial Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear) 1126
Bossk (Bounty Hunter) 500*
Luke Skywalker (Bespin Fatigues) 132
Boba Fett 482
Yoda 12
Lobot 467
AT-AT Driver 39
2-1B 301
C-3PO (Removeable Limbs) 1234
Luke Skywalker (Hoth Battle Gear) 105
AT-AT Commander 27
(Twin-Pod) Cloud Car Pilot 8
Imperial TIE Fighter Pilot 264
Princess Leia Organa (Boushh Disguise) 30
Gamorrean Guard 31
Logray (Ewok Medicine Man) 81
Squid Head 60
Lando Calrissian (Skiff Guard Disguise) 86
*Number quoted is a 50/50 split between Palitoy and German cardbacks as large quantities of mint MOCs exist for both and both were for sale on toytoni.com
+Not on the list, but a used cardback with iron marks was purchased directly from Toy Toni, figure quoted is from AFA population report
Total number of affected cards:- 6572
Click on this link to download the matrix as an Excel spreadsheet:- toytonimatrix.xlsx
If you have a very mint card with a pristine bubble on a figure/cardback above, it is highly likely that it originated from Toy Toni. Efforts are being made by the collecting community to better spot these by examining printing flaws on the cards, bubble types, bubble placement, how the seals look and looking for figures with wear and incorrect COO on them. The most up to date information on spotting these can be found on the collecting forums listed below. There are many more figure variations on affected figures than there should be. Boba Fett has at least 3 variations listed by AFA that are likely to be down to Toy Toni. Also, odd bubble cardback combinations on the affected cardbacks are likely to be down to Toy Toni. Boba Fett with a single stem bubble on a 45C cardback for example.
Here is AFA's statement
"AFA has put a freeze on the processing/grading of any card variations in question from the list of figures obtained by ToyToni in the early 1990s.
At some point in the near future, as more information becomes known and we get a programmer to make alterations to the AFA website, AFA plans to add a disclaimer to every serial number associated with questionable European card variations within the free on-line serial number verification database in order to ensure collectors have as much information as possible to help them make educated purchases based on all the information at hand.
Toni is banned from submitting items for grading to AFA!"
Here is the link to the original discussion which is over 150 pages long.
http://www.starwarsforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11326&start=165
And here is the link to the discussion on Rebel scum
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1104900/
