Rate TLJ out of ten

What's your score for TLJ out of ten?

  • 0-1, two hours of Jarjar would have been preferable

    Votes: 17 14.4%
  • 2

    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • 3

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • 4

    Votes: 9 7.6%
  • 5

    Votes: 13 11.0%
  • 6

    Votes: 20 16.9%
  • 7

    Votes: 20 16.9%
  • 8

    Votes: 14 11.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 11 9.3%
  • 10, it's the best SW ever ever ever

    Votes: 3 2.5%

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    118

lambis500

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A dissappointed 5 from me...
I felt completely underwhelmed leaving cinema after first viewing, And vowed not to buy it on blue ray.But it is star wars so i did ( plus times a good healer.,or just poor memory)
Watched it again over xmas,And it was not as bad as i first thought.Still didn't like the poor comedy. TFA was better for me,But i just have not had the same feeling that i did after watching rogue one & solo.
These were in my opinion really enjoyable, movies.
 

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2.

I only saw it once at the cinema and have absolutely no desire to ever see it again.

The only part I liked was when Luke turned up at the end.

Unfortunately, apart from that bit, they proceeded to completely destroy the beloved character of Luke Skywalker.
 

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One out of ten, sorry guys. I really like the stand alone movies (R1/ SASM) because they are closer to the originals. But hey, it's a good thing that some of us really enjoyed it. Keep it up! 8)
 

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theforceuk said:
Who gave this film 10 out of 10!? :lol:

The list is endless. Thats the most polite way I could put it. Afterall, this is a family site. Right? :D
 

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Could say the same about people giving it 0! Just as ridiculous as giving it 10! It's probably a 7 from me- REALLY loved a lot of it and it was soooo much better on 2nd/3rd viewings. Still a few bits I don't like though...
 

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I need to watch it again, I gave it 5. But some times I feel like giving in 0! :lol: A 7 is very generous, each to their own though. :)
 

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Absolutely to each their own. I'm still standing by my 0. It was absolute bullshit. I walked out of the midnight showing at the Mary Poppins scene. I'd seen enough. I have sat and seen the full show since three or four times and theres nothing at all endearing there for me. Shocking.
 

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i had to re-vote, i read it as TFA in my head which i quite liked. The last Jedi was a very generous OK. I just feel like Rian undid all the stuff JJ was trying to build just so he could do the movie that he wanted in isolation at any cost. Some decent bits, but god knows why he even bothered keeping any of the casino run in, that was awful. As was the milking of the sea cow and Lukes milk moustash.

I think the problem is that no one really gives as a sh1t about Rey, Po or Fin, if any of them died i wouldn't really batter an eyelid. I think Kylo had the chance to become a great character, but Rian just turned him into a wining emo kid.

I still think JJ can make a great movie to finish it off though.
 

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RetroRyan, I'm inclined to agree up to a certain point. There's no getting away from the that fact the he completely ignored the foundations the J.J. laid befoire in TFA. Not to mention completely ignoring everything else before. Apart from being a piss poor filmaker and by his own admission a SLOW writer, he just was not up to the job. He's not a fan of the saga neither does he understand it TLJ is complete proof. J.J. does. TFA awakens had its problems, but it was a decent start to something that really could have developed.

I could go on and on and on and on.......... Just like so may others.

Those that like it, I'm pleased that they and really wish I could find and see what they do.

For me though. Battlestar Galactica. AT BEST.
 

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This long after TLJ's release, kneejerk reactions should hopefully be out of the way. It's clear that there are those out there that like, even love this film, and I'm sure they will happily go to see Episode IX with a skip in their step and warmth in their hearts. I however, will not be one of them. I fall very much into the category of people who cannot stand TLJ, and it's perfectly apparent that there are a very great many of us out there who feel likewise. I could (very!) easily list the things I dislike about that film, but I've been there and done that already, and it achieves nothing at the end of the day.

What I am interested in seeing is how well Episode IX does at the box office. For what it's worth, I did go to see 'Solo' - twice - and enjoyed it, because it had nothing to do with the sequel trilogy, although many people seem to have been unable to make that distinction, and hence stayed away in droves, meaning that that film amazingly made Disney a loss!

I'm sure those people who liked TLJ will go along to see IX, plus a fair chunk of those who disliked it (presumably hoping to see something they like more). However, what is currently unknown is how many people simply won't bother seeing IX at all. I truly wish things were different for me, but TLJ so completely and utterly destroyed the new story for me (in addition to showing astonishing disrespect and contempt for the character of Luke Skywalker, and the establish canon of the saga) that I simply refuse to go and see IX, and I am very curious to see how many others feel the same way. IX will still do enormous box office of course, but I do wonder how it will compare with TLJ's, which itself was very significantly (as in $730 million) down from TFA's, largely due, I suspect, to those like myself who would have given plenty of repeat business to TLJ, if I hadn't hated it with every fibre of my being.

So I'm curious; is anyone else on the forum planning on skipping seeing Episode IX altogether?
 

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Snaketibe said:
This long after TLJ's release, kneejerk reactions should hopefully be out of the way. It's clear that there are those out there that like, even love this film, and I'm sure they will happily go to see Episode IX with a skip in their step and warmth in their hearts. I however, will not be one of them. I fall very much into the category of people who cannot stand TLJ, and it's perfectly apparent that there are a very great many of us out there who feel likewise. I could (very!) easily list the things I dislike about that film, but I've been there and done that already, and it achieves nothing at the end of the day.

What I am interested in seeing is how well Episode IX does at the box office. For what it's worth, I did go to see 'Solo' - twice - and enjoyed it, because it had nothing to do with the sequel trilogy, although many people seem to have been unable to make that distinction, and hence stayed away in droves, meaning that that film amazingly made Disney a loss!

I'm sure those people who liked TLJ will go along to see IX, plus a fair chunk of those who disliked it (presumably hoping to see something they like more). However, what is currently unknown is how many people simply won't bother seeing IX at all. I truly wish things were different for me, but TLJ so completely and utterly destroyed the new story for me (in addition to showing astonishing disrespect and contempt for the character of Luke Skywalker, and the establish canon of the saga) that I simply refuse to go and see IX, and I am very curious to see how many others feel the same way. IX will still do enormous box office of course, but I do wonder how it will compare with TLJ's, which itself was very significantly (as in $730 million) down from TFA's, largely due, I suspect, to those like myself who would have given plenty of repeat business to TLJ, if I hadn't hated it with every fibre of my being.

So I'm curious; is anyone else on the forum planning on skipping seeing Episode IX altogether?

I'm with you pretty much 100%, mate. Now the dust has settled my feelings towards TLJ and subsequent Ep9 are that of indifference. TLJ left us with such banal, poorly thought out characters and plot decisions that I don't care about where it goes. There was nothing in the plot or characters that makes me feel like I really want to know what happens next. And this isn't a case of anger at how things were depicted (Luke etc) in TLJ, I genuinely just don't care.

For its faults, TFA set up some half decent characters in Poe and Finn for example, but both of which had their personalities and motivations altered beyond recognition in TLJ. I was interested enough to see where the story would go. The biggest mistake they have made with the sequel trilogy is a clear lack of story outline or roadmap for the trilogy, as well as handing the second chapter to a director who was clearly more concerned with creating the story he wanted, regardless of continuity, then a cohesive middle act of three parts. As a stand alone Rian's concept may not have been so vitally flawed. I have read that JJ passed an outline to Rian, but that Rian threw out nearly all of it in order to do his own thing. It certainly feels like that was the case after viewing TLJ.

I won't be going to see Ep9. Not out of spite or "fanboy" anger, but because I have no motivation to want to see it. It's going to take some doing on JJ's part however to tie everything back together and I hope for the future of Star Wars he does a good job.
 

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I'm with you pretty much 100%, mate. Now the dust has settled my feelings towards TLJ and subsequent Ep9 are that of indifference. TLJ left us with such banal, poorly thought out characters and plot decisions that I don't care about where it goes. There was nothing in the plot or characters that makes me feel like I really want to know what happens next. And this isn't a case of anger at how things were depicted (Luke etc) in TLJ, I genuinely just don't care.

For its faults, TFA set up some half decent characters in Poe and Finn for example, but both of which had their personalities and motivations altered beyond recognition in TLJ. I was interested enough to see where the story would go. The biggest mistake they have made with the sequel trilogy is a clear lack of story outline or roadmap for the trilogy, as well as handing the second chapter to a director who was clearly more concerned with creating the story he wanted, regardless of continuity, then a cohesive middle act of three parts. As a stand alone Rian's concept may not have been so vitally flawed. I have read that JJ passed an outline to Rian, but that Rian threw out nearly all of it in order to do his own thing. It certainly feels like that was the case after viewing TLJ.

I won't be going to see Ep9. Not out of spite or "fanboy" anger, but because I have no motivation to want to see it. It's going to take some doing on JJ's part however to tie everything back together and I hope for the future of Star Wars he does a good job.
Very well put. And I believe you are indeed correct in that Rian was given an outline which he threw away. I've also heard that he had his script for TLJ effectively all but written before he even saw TFA! I'm not absolutely sure if that's true, but it certainly could be judging by what he put on screen.

Like you, I have no interest in seeing IX now. Disney really cocked up spectacularly by not having a Kevin Feige type genuine Star Wars fan in overall charge of things before commencing with Episode VII. Perhaps then that film wouldn't have suffered from the major flaws it has too; like you I enjoyed it, but would never have considered killing off Han or leaving Luke out of the thing for all but the last 10 seconds, or including a whiny Poundlound Darth Vader wannabe, and Rey should absolutely not be so adept at using the force without a single second of training! To have her fight and defeat Kylo Ren the very first time she picks up a lightsaber is absurd.

But more than that, Disney have allowed their employees to join in the chorus of ignorance in damning anyone and everyone who doesn't like TLJ.
The vanishingly few genuine loons and assholes who disliked the film because they're racists or sexists have been given all the headlines, and then everyone else who disliked the film for other reasons gets tarred with the same brush! I'm not sexist or racist! I dislike the film because in my opinion everything about the story and plot sucks, not because it happens to star some people who aren't white males! It's insulting beyond words, yet Disney have refused to even acknowledge the legitimate concerns of disappointed fans like me who don't like the film, and instead allow others who've never met me and don't know the first thing about me to call me a sexist, misogynist and racist!

Making a film that divides opinion is one thing, but insulting anyone who doesn't happen to like it is ridiculous and childish.
 

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The original trilogy definitely didn't have a clear roadmap. Lucas has re-written history of what the originals and prequels were meant to be. The whole family dynamic of the Skywalkers changed plenty of times during the writing of the OT. Definitely check out the drafts of the scripts or interviews with people like Khersner or Kurtz etc

I definitely agree with you that there doesn't seem to be a road map and evidence would suggest this, but nothing has been officially released. Adam Driver stayed in a recent interview that he knew his characters journey from day 1. I see a lot of YouTube videos of fans making judgements on things based on things they've pulled out of their ass with no recourse. Bob Ayger is going to fire Kathleen Kennedy is the hot click bait. He gives her a 3 year extension on her contract. And yet the bedroom tabloids still rant about fabricated 'leaks'.

I also wonder if Lucasfilm is handicapped by what they can say. Is it possible that Carrie Fishers health was decreasing or poor and therefore the Holdo character was written to buffer that issue?

But at the same time, I can totally see why fans hated TLJ. I'm really stuck in the middle. There's things I like, a few things I love and a lot of things I detest. It's finally provided an environment where Ahmed Best finally feels safe to leave the house.

But to not watch a Star Wars movie? That's ****ing crazy :lol:

AT-AT's are a lot slower than Resistance Bombers and make absolutely no sense. And no one says a word.....
 

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Grant_C said:
The original trilogy definitely didn't have a clear roadmap. Lucas has re-written history of what the originals and prequels were meant to be. The whole family dynamic of the Skywalkers changed plenty of times during the writing of the OT. Definitely check out the drafts of the scripts or interviews with people like Khersner or Kurtz etc

I definitely agree with you that there doesn't seem to be a road map and evidence would suggest this, but nothing has been officially released. Adam Driver stayed in a recent interview that he knew his characters journey from day 1. I see a lot of YouTube videos of fans making judgements on things based on things they've pulled out of their ass with no recourse. Bob Ayger is going to fire Kathleen Kennedy is the hot click bait. He gives her a 3 year extension on her contract. And yet the bedroom tabloids still rant about fabricated 'leaks'.

I also wonder if Lucasfilm is handicapped by what they can say. Is it possible that Carrie Fishers health was decreasing or poor and therefore the Holdo character was written to buffer that issue?

But at the same time, I can totally see why fans hated TLJ. I'm really stuck in the middle. There's things I like, a few things I love and a lot of things I detest. It's finally provided an environment where Ahmed Best finally feels safe to leave the house.

But to not watch a Star Wars movie? That's ****ing crazy :lol:

AT-AT's are a lot slower than Resistance Bombers and make absolutely no sense. And no one says a word.....

I of course agree with you completely about George Lucas changing the overall OT story specifics as he went along, as well as re-writing history numerous times since (anyone remember when Star Wars was going to have 12 episodes? Then when it was 9? Then when it was only ever going to have 6? ;-)). I know my Star Wars history, however in fairness to Lucas, I'm sure he had the gist of what he wanted to make and the general direction the story would take pretty early on, even if the specific path meandered this way and that away from the original kernel of his idea. Famously for example, Gary Kurtz felt Lucas was more interested in getting toy opportunities on screen by the time Return of the Jedi came along than he was about making the best film that he could, and hence they parted ways due to these 'creative differences'. Despite that though, it remained one person's vision from start to finish, and even the prequels are more or less consistent with the original trilogy, for all their other many faults, for that reason.

The sequel trilogy by contrast has all the hallmarks of being rushed into production by a greedy Disney eyeing dollar signs, before being properly prepared, and certainly without an overall story arc. And to have each episode written and directed by individuals who are not beholden to such an overall arc is a jaw-droppingly bad way of handling such a valuable IP. Risky doesn't even begin to describe it! Yes, as previously acknowledged, some fans like TLJ (I genuinely don't know why, but I accept the fact that they do and respect their perfect right to do so), but Disney have managed to piss off and alienate a lot of fans like me; a life-long Star Wars fan from the age of 6 in 1978. Until TLJ came out, I never dreamt the day would come when I not only wouldn't be excited about a new Star Wars film coming out, but I would also have no intention of going to see it. And with respect, that isn't me being ****ing crazy, that's me not being a ****ing masochist.

I truly, deeply and utterly despise what Rian Johnson was allowed to do to Star Wars, and anything short of Episode IX beginning with Rey awaking on Ackh To in front of a very much still alive Luke Skywalker, having just experienced the entirety of TLJ in the form of a dark force vision sent by Snoke, won't satisfy me. Disney won't do that of course, because to do so would be to acknowledge how unsatisfactory TLJ was (and pissing off half your fan base, even if the other half adores the piece, is massively unsatisfactory for Disney because they're losing customers and hence revenue).

JJ has to make the best of the dog's breakfast left by Johnson, and since TLJ won't be wiped from the canon by making it a Bobby Ewing in the shower moment, it means it remains part of the canon. That in turn means that if I watch IX, not only am I rewarding Disney for making a **** film, pissing me off and then insulting me to boot, I also have to accept TLJ as canon, and I have absolutely no wish to do that as I detest it so much. Rogue One and (to a lesser extent) Solo aside, for me the Star Wars saga beyond Return of the Jedi remains what it was for many perfectly satisfactory years; in book form in the numerous Expanded Universe stories started by Timothy Zahn's 'Heir to the Empire' trilogy, and concluding with the end of the now rebranded 'Legends' stories. I don't require anything further from Disney in the Star Wars sequel film department. They've had my money for the first two, disappointed me, and don't deserve another penny of it.
 

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Not sure I'll be going to see episode 9 either. I think I said that earlier in the thread.
The monstrosity that was TLJ has sort of left me at a crossroads when it comes to SW. I will always love the OT, and I suspect I'll always be disappointed with the prequels. They are poor films and such a let down on what they could have been. I'm not sure I "hate" them as such, but they are so far from what I was expecting/hoping for that I never watch them. Maybe if I ever show SW to the wee man I might show him the prequels as well.
The newer films are fine. TFA was basically a rehash of ANH so no issues there. Rogue one was a great film. But TLJ was a monstrosity. It just ****ed away 40 years worth of back story, character arcs/behaviour and history all so we could have the shittest chase scene since Speed2. Then there is the issue with the casino bit, the Mary Poppins bit, the "comedic" element, and the dozens of other daft scenes mentioned in this thread.
TLJ has left me feeling if I watch another **** SW film that will be me done with SW. It has been ruined and the more I think about TLJ the less likely I am to want to watch the OT (TBF, like most of you I can probably recite the films anyway). I didn't go to see Solo, nor do I plan to. If I watch it and it's pish that'll be me done. ATM I'm happy to leave SW and still be able to enjoy the OT, TFA and Rogue 1. If I watch another film and it's anything like TLJ every time I watch one of the others I will be reminded of what a **** up they made of the whole thing and it'll ruin them. Memory by association I think it's called.

I haven't decided for sure if I'll go and see E9, but I would say odds are I won't.
I left Solo to let you lot see it first and tell me what you thought, most seemed to think it was ok or better, but I still felt no need to see it. I suspect E9 will be the same. Such a shame, but whoever signed off TLJ really needs to be fired. To "ok" something that changed so much in what was such a successful franchise was a best a gamble that didn't need to be taken. At worst it was gross incompetence. I mean did they really think the fans would turn round and say "Yay, you changed pretty much everything we knew and loved about SW for no apparent reason, that's so cool!"



Oohh and whilst I agree it was sad to see Han die I did read somewhere that Harrison Ford only agreed to come back for one film on condition Han died. Not sure if it's true but if it is that does absolve the Directors and Disney of the blame for that.
 

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