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Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby kevlad » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:43 pm

the Fake ESB a & sw a leias
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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby edd_jedi » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:58 pm

kevlad wrote:the Fake ESB a & sw a leias

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This email seems to suggest he knew it was fake ("ify") before selling it

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Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:04 pm

Some 100% confirmed fake Palitoy POTF baggies all tracing back to Jeff, all bought by the same buyer who is a member on the baggie group on ebay, but not a member on here, now these are high value baggie or would be if legitimate examples, we are talking about a huge sum of money in these alone & all from the same unsuspecting buyer.

First though some screen grabs of emails between myself & Jeff going all the way back to 2013 where I was discussing them with him & confirming about the bag types palitoy POTF figures came in, so he was fully aware of the only genuine confirmed types over 3 years ago & quite obvious why not a single one of these were ever offered to me his quote really good friend even though I have several emails dating back many years asking that if he ever did come across any I would love to have the chance of buying them.

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First one is of me saying what a nice baggie he had in the genuine A-wing POTF palitoy-i baggie & asking about buying it from him

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Photo of the one in question, note the date again 2013

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Jeff asking me for conformation it is indeed the correct known baggie type for the figure

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Me then confirming & giving a little background about where they came from & so on & saying I would send it to UKG after checking it myself to confirm tape seal etc, I bought this from Jeff back in 2013 & it's the only POTF palitoy baggies I was ever offered from Jeff, it checked out & was legit, I also sent it in for grading & it was further authenticated & graded by UK Graders, so in essence - Jeff has had real examples in hand & knows what they are, which baggie they come in & what to look out for as I had also spoken to him at length about the billy boy scandal & his fakes & what to look out for I also sent him the below link so he could read up on the matter further, all way back in 2013 -

http://forum.rebelscum.com/showthread.p ... ll+Rodgers

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Conformation of that here in the above screenshot

I will add all the images of the POTF baggie in question from Jeff (sold recently) in the next post below
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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:06 pm

The ones in question all sold to a member of the baggie group -

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Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:08 pm

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Jeff talking about his phone which was able to take great photos, so I presume some form of smart phone, back in 2013 - so much for being a technospastic, I still have an old nokia brick to this day
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Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:13 pm

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Photos he sent me of a multi pack on offer with mostly the incorrect baggie types for the pack.

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& not so innocently also a fake ROTJ-c baggie dengar which is clearly fake as dengar was never offered in this baggie - resealed removable limbs C-3P0 baggie most likely & the most commonly faked baggie ever as documented in my guide on page 8 & something I had discussed with Jeff on numerous occasions
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Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:18 pm

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Conformation that Jeff has been using this forum & my baggies guide on a regular basis since it's inception back in 2013 which again further confirms if he so wished he is more than capable of navigating this forum & could just as easily make an account & post his side of the situation if he so wished.

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One of my replies when we were chatting about the baggie guide after he had been looking through it, also some info on a fett he had at the time which was a rocket firing one which was confirmed to be a fake as well, but hey thats another story & not baggie related, but he did not mind selling it on at I think the sum of 160 pounds at the time & yes I do have emails confirming that if needed.
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Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:22 pm

Pic of another of the fake meccanos he was selling, this one sold to gary Edmonson I think via face book which I advised should be returned for a refund which he then did, I have the full conversation stream discussing it I can screen grab if needed, Jeff did indeed refund him for it before this thread went live.

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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:31 pm

Whats already been posted BTW is still only the tip of the iceberg, so where are all those naysayers & shit-slingers now?? - thanks for all the apologies BTW - figures

Patience is a virtue you know!!! - I did say more info was forthcoming not that anyone took note of it & waited before lighting the fireworks, I hope you are all really proud of yourselves.

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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby decipher28 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:48 pm

I think the evidence now is overwhelming and very comprehensive.It's getting scary about the scale of this,and what with potf baggies involved.We are talking about large sums of money that has been defrauded from people.

Really feel for anyone caught out by this.

Well done to those that have exposed this and bought it to the attention of the community.

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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby Frunkstar » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:50 pm

Frunkstar wrote:Pic of another of the fake meccanos he was selling, this one sold to gary Edmonson I think via face book which I advised should be returned for a refund which he then did, I have the full conversation stream discussing it I can screen grab if needed, Jeff did indeed refund him for it before this thread went live.

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Also funny how not one of the fake meccanos or any of the fake POTF palitoy baggies was sold on his ebay account & some think he does not realize he is selling fakes???

90% of the dodgy known fakes the easily identifiable ones that is were sold back door to known contacts or should I say folks who did not know any better, now thats what I call taking advantage of a situation & using what you know to your financial gain without care or concern for your fellow collector, anyone still in doubt about why Jeff is not a member on here or any other forum or active on a single facebook star wars group
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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby Lindo » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:50 pm

Frunkstar wrote:Whats already been posted BTW is still only the tip of the iceberg, so where are all those naysayers & shit-slingers now?? - thanks for all the apologies BTW - figures

Patience is a virtue you know!!! - I did say more info was forthcoming not that anyone took note of it & waited before lighting the fireworks, I hope you are all really proud of yourselves.

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Hi mate, can see why your pissed but maybe if you had all this before and released it with the Op then maybe people wouldn't have started to draw their own conclusions, you obviously know your shit and if I ever buy any baggies I will be asking your advice.
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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby momike » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:59 pm

I think it's clear to even someone who doesn't collect baggies that those last 17 figures are very wrong, I recon Jeff has had a good run with the huge wave of new and novice collectors on the scene......that a-wing pilot looks like a sealed shopping bag :(

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Re: Long Time suspected FAKE baggies scam / seller

Postby Dannywhiteley » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:04 pm

Just one really strong piece of evidence like those posted above, with the promise of much more to follow would've prevented much of the first 25 pages. Something to back up the original allegation alongside the photos of the rogue baggies. Puts a whole different light on it.

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Postby SublevelStudios » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:11 pm

Dannywhiteley wrote:Just one really strong piece of evidence like those posted above, with the promise of much more to follow would've prevented much of the first 25 pages. Something to back up the original allegation alongside the photos of the rogue baggies. Puts a whole different light on it.


Exactly.


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