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Important info on Potential Toy Toni carded figure scam.
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<blockquote data-quote="wbobafett" data-source="post: 263432" data-attributes="member: 3556"><p>I watched the Palitoy vid over and over again! Suddenly I had an idea today!</p><p></p><p>I seem to have found out sth. very interesting! </p><p></p><p></p><p>Mirco has an album full with scanned German 45 backs:</p><p>http://s487.photobucket.com/user/mike-skywalker/library/ESB%20German%2045%20Cardbacks?sort=6&page=1</p><p> </p><p>I also used Wolfgangs site for reference:</p><p>http://www.raumhafen.de/cgi-bin/showp.pl?pic=/galerie/starwars/sw/esb_45back_d&titel=German%20ESB%20Figures</p><p> </p><p>I concentrated on the ripped of "only" cardbacks. The used ones with creases, stickers and unpacked!</p><p></p><p>So time to watch closely at the pictures:</p><p></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/palito29.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>You will notice following from the sealing process:</p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>1. There is PINS holding the cardbacks in place!</strong></p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/hh1uki10.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>2. There is "forms" for the blisters that can probably swapped and changed (single stem, double stem, different sizes etc.)</p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/palito28.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>If you combine these two very important facts you can conclude the following:</p><p>The bubble all have the same axis (middle/centre) compared to the cards! That means the middle of the bubble always is in the same place regarding the cardbacks!</p><p> </p><p>Toni did different....he usually middled the bubbles (at least a bid...not really accurate) to the colored shaped form the figure is placed on.</p><p> </p><p>What do I have to proof this:</p><p> </p><p><strong>Going through all cardbacks from Mirco and Wolfgang, ALL have the same in comon: The middle/centre axis is nearly in the exact in the same place!!!! (of course some are a tiny bit more left or right).</strong></p><p><strong>This axis can be spotted well regarding the ESB LOGO. If you check the farest point to the left from the logo were the black border ends (or starts coming from the left) you have your axis!</strong></p><p><strong>Of course the cardbacks are cut different....so its only a vague hint!!!</strong></p><p></p><p>Here is some examples:</p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena13.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again...I could proof this on ALL those cardbacks, no matter which character, bubble type etc!</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> havent much pictures to compare MOCs, but I can already tell you that some Bossks (remeber...there was 1000s on the published list) I have checked are FAR AWAY from this axis!</p><p> </p><p>Coincidence?? I dont think so!!</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena14.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do guys think?? </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>I really would like Mirco, Wolfgang and Panastur checking theirs for some kind of pattern! Again in short:</strong></p><p><strong>The middle/centre axis of all bubbles has the same (nearly) distance to the boarder of the cardback. The fakes are different because they are more middled to the colored background were the figure is placed on!</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I leave it to the guys now which have some originals in hand, but IMO this could be a key! *fingers crossed*</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wbobafett, post: 263432, member: 3556"] I watched the Palitoy vid over and over again! Suddenly I had an idea today! I seem to have found out sth. very interesting! Mirco has an album full with scanned German 45 backs: http://s487.photobucket.com/user/mike-skywalker/library/ESB%20German%2045%20Cardbacks?sort=6&page=1 I also used Wolfgangs site for reference: http://www.raumhafen.de/cgi-bin/showp.pl?pic=/galerie/starwars/sw/esb_45back_d&titel=German%20ESB%20Figures I concentrated on the ripped of "only" cardbacks. The used ones with creases, stickers and unpacked! So time to watch closely at the pictures: [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/palito29.jpg[/img] You will notice following from the sealing process: [b] 1. There is PINS holding the cardbacks in place![/b] [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/hh1uki10.jpg[/img] 2. There is "forms" for the blisters that can probably swapped and changed (single stem, double stem, different sizes etc.) [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/palito28.jpg[/img] If you combine these two very important facts you can conclude the following: The bubble all have the same axis (middle/centre) compared to the cards! That means the middle of the bubble always is in the same place regarding the cardbacks! Toni did different....he usually middled the bubbles (at least a bid...not really accurate) to the colored shaped form the figure is placed on. What do I have to proof this: [b]Going through all cardbacks from Mirco and Wolfgang, ALL have the same in comon: The middle/centre axis is nearly in the exact in the same place!!!! (of course some are a tiny bit more left or right). This axis can be spotted well regarding the ESB LOGO. If you check the farest point to the left from the logo were the black border ends (or starts coming from the left) you have your axis! Of course the cardbacks are cut different....so its only a vague hint!!![/b] Here is some examples: [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena13.jpg[/img] Again...I could proof this on ALL those cardbacks, no matter which character, bubble type etc! havent much pictures to compare MOCs, but I can already tell you that some Bossks (remeber...there was 1000s on the published list) I have checked are FAR AWAY from this axis! Coincidence?? I dont think so!! [img]http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2511/13/96/10/album/unbena14.jpg[/img] What do guys think?? [b]I really would like Mirco, Wolfgang and Panastur checking theirs for some kind of pattern! Again in short: The middle/centre axis of all bubbles has the same (nearly) distance to the boarder of the cardback. The fakes are different because they are more middled to the colored background were the figure is placed on![/b] I leave it to the guys now which have some originals in hand, but IMO this could be a key! *fingers crossed* [/QUOTE]
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